New Toyota Sequoia

[Jeff_DML]

SCA, I would hope and expecting a new 4runner soon

[robg]

In general, I just don't get the appeal of Toyotas. They tend to be uglier, drive worse, have worse tech, are less comfortable, and perform worse than most of the competition. The one thing they have is "bulletproof" reliability and durability. But if that's really the main (and only) reason you want a car just buy a used Toyota. I really scratch my head at people who lease new 4Runners...the only point of that car seems to be that it'll go forever and if you're not planning on keeping it more than 3 years why bother. Otherwise its a slow, ugly, inefficient, cramped and lumbering beast.

Ironically, there's someone I work with who bought a new 4Runner a couple years ago. Its been in the shop for 3 weeks now as they've been trying to trouble shoot an electrical issue. That would really suck-- you buy a car for one reason and then it lets you down.

/end rant

[Jeff_DML]

Originally Posted by robg

In general, I just don't get the appeal of Toyotas. They tend to be uglier, drive worse, have worse tech, are less comfortable, and perform worse than most of the competition. The one thing they have is "bulletproof" reliability and durability. But if that's really the main (and only) reason you want a car just buy a used Toyota. I really scratch my head at people who lease new 4Runners...the only point of that car seems to be that it'll go forever and if you're not planning on keeping it more than 3 years why bother. Otherwise its a slow, ugly, inefficient, cramped and lumbering beast.

Ironically, there's someone I work with who bought a new 4Runner a couple years ago. Its been in the shop for 3 weeks now as they've been trying to trouble shoot an electrical issue. That would really suck-- you buy a car for one reason and then it lets you down.

/end rant

I own one and it is a reliable offroad appliance. If you never offroad/use for remote access then I totally agree.

[SCA]

Originally Posted by Jeff_DML

SCA, I would hope and expecting a new 4runner soon

Given that it is based on the Taco who knows. Is a update currently in the works? The last I read a new 4Runner was in the works, but that was also circa four or five years ago

[Jeff_DML]

Originally Posted by SCA

Given that it is based on the Taco who knows.

pretty sure the current does not(LC prado/gx) but looks like next gen might based on googling. I was expecting it to share the tundra/lc platform.

Edit: That would be a bummer since I was hoping they would use tundra platform and give us triple lockers since LC is gone so room for more extreme offroader.

[Jeff_DML]

Originally Posted by Jeff_DML

yeah I agree and they had to make a kludgy shelf thingy to get a flat load floor with that solid rear axle. Doesn't seem like a big deal switching out the solid axle for IRS with same platform , prettty sure others have done it. Sort of like torsion beam and IRS cars.

Pic of it

[wdc330i]

Originally Posted by robg

In general, I just don't get the appeal of Toyotas. They tend to be uglier, drive worse, have worse tech, are less comfortable, and perform worse than most of the competition. The one thing they have is "bulletproof" reliability and durability. But if that's really the main (and only) reason you want a car just buy a used Toyota. I really scratch my head at people who lease new 4Runners...the only point of that car seems to be that it'll go forever and if you're not planning on keeping it more than 3 years why bother. Otherwise its a slow, ugly, inefficient, cramped and lumbering beast.

Ironically, there's someone I work with who bought a new 4Runner a couple years ago. Its been in the shop for 3 weeks now as they've been trying to trouble shoot an electrical issue. That would really suck-- you buy a car for one reason and then it lets you down.

/end rant

Well, if you make basically the same vehicle a gazillion times for 12-plus years, it had better have all of the kinks worked out. A byproduct of all the model updates is introducing new variables into the mix and the potential for new problems, no?

[JST]

Originally Posted by Nick M3

My point is that an IRS AWD land cruiser doesn't cut it. So if you're going to pick one drivetrain/suspension for the platform, you can't do that.

Right, but they've already got the Land Cruiser...which they've already ALSO federalized as the Lexus, but decided not to sell here for reasons.

I just don't see the logic in knecapping the utility of your mom and dad mobile in order to chase some overlanders who probably would have happily bought the Lexus or certainly would have bought a slightly downmarket version of the Lexus called the Land Cruiser.

Plus, if you're trying to sell to the overlanders, Land Cruiser has a hell of a lot more cache than Sequoia.

I think this maybe suggests that Toyota thinks it can capture most of the soft roader market with the Highlander, but I do not think that's right. Although to me the Highlander is gargantuan, to people like my SIL it's a tiny lil thing that they would never consider.

[JST]

Originally Posted by Jeff_DML

Pic of it

Yeah LOL WTF is that.

[Nick M3]

I don’t really see what the flat floor kludge has to to with a live axle. If anything, a live axle ends up giving you more clearance than an IRS.