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Overall, I like the size/proportions/look though. It is hard to compare to the Model S due to familiarity but, to my eyes, the S has no bad angles. |
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09-04-2019, 10:22 PM | #22 |
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Yeah that base price is crazy high ... there are way too many cars under that price that are awesome to own. I get this one is electric and that is cool but not for that price but then again it’s Porsche ... they will sell everyone one of them ... at least for now.
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09-05-2019, 10:47 AM | #23 |
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So, as I read it, the "Turbo" and "Turbo S" are the debut models, but there will be lower spec models coming out as well. Based on typical Porsche pricing spreads, that reads to me like the base models will be around $100k, right?
I've heard that the driving experience absolutely kicks the shit out of anything that Tesla offers, notwithstanding any spec discrepancies as well.
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I'm going to bet that Tesla ends up occupying the "Corvette" niche of the EV market. Big, big specs. Really good on paper. Honestly very good in the real world. But also not nearly as good as it could be, and compromised in all kinds of ways that people care about.
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09-05-2019, 10:58 AM | #25 |
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I have no doubt that Porsche can build a dynamically superior car. My question is where VAG is on battery and driveline tech; based on the specs we’ve seen so far of the Audi and now Taycan, it sounds like the answer is “many years behind Tesla.”
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Good analogy. Tesla has a whiff of GM about them with their intense focus on meeting quarterly numbers and indifferent build quality. The difference, for now, is that their battery/drivetrain tech is way ahead of everyone else. |
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09-05-2019, 11:32 AM | #29 |
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I think we do. VAG is using a 93 kWh battery and isn’t getting near the range that Tesla is getting from smaller units, let alone the range that Tesla is getting from 100 kWh units. The Taycan’s final range hasn’t been announced, but all of the numbers we’ve seen so far are pretty meh.
Early this year I talked to a former Tesla battery engineer who echoed what FC said—they’ve spent a lot of time and effort to crack some pretty serious technical challenges, and they don’t see the Germans as being anywhere close on answering those questions. That’s self-serving, sure, but it’s consistent with everything we’ve seen publicly. |
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