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Old 07-19-2019, 10:32 AM   #11
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I don't see how the Supra/Z4 / new M4 or any other non manual sports car can compete at all. The only reason I'd consider a boxster over this is so I can still row my own gears in a fun car. I'm really amazed at what they did and where they priced it.
If not for the lack of manual, I would strongly consider one. Not now, of course. I'm still licking my wounds from buying the M3.
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Old 07-19-2019, 10:51 AM   #12
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That price is crazy low for that product.

Went into the configurator and the Z51 package seems like a good move.

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Old 07-19-2019, 11:05 AM   #13
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the best automatics (and auto-equivalents) don't kill the driving experience--they just don't enhance it..
This is a good way to put it.
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Old 07-19-2019, 11:08 AM   #14
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This is a good way to put it.
Another way to put it is that modern manuals aren’t very good, and most modern engines aren’t that good with a manual.
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Old 07-19-2019, 11:52 AM   #15
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Another way to put it is that modern manuals aren’t very good, and most modern engines aren’t that good with a manual.
Another good way to put it. I'm not sure I even understand the point of matching a manual to a turbo engine.
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Old 07-19-2019, 12:01 PM   #16
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I know you strongly disagree Nick, but I am more satisfied with my n55/6sp combo than I have been with any other engine transmission combo I have ever driven. I enjoy it more than my e36m3s, my e39 m5, my z3, my friends 987.2, my old e46s, etc.

I have spent time in dct and auto e82s and not liked them nearly as much (not liked them at all) . I can live with an auto on any sedan/suv type car, but I'd rather have a manual that degrades the performance on a fun car over any other option
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Old 07-19-2019, 12:04 PM   #17
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Another way to put it is that modern manuals aren’t very good, and most modern engines aren’t that good with a manual.
Agree.

Furthermore, GM didn't just do away with the manual -- they went with a DCT, gave it full electronic control, and mounted the powertrain behind the seats. They could therefore do away with the packaging and structural issues related to the drive shaft/torque tube, shift linkage, and so on. (Of course, they then put in two very deep tub-like seats with a tall center console, so they didn't gain much in the way of cabin space, buy hey...)

If I were to spend $60k on a car, I'd buy this one. If I were to spend $100k, I think I'd still buy this one.
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Old 07-19-2019, 12:05 PM   #18
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...oh, and not in red. I'll let you all guess what color I'd pick.
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Old 07-19-2019, 12:49 PM   #19
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Another way to put it is that modern manuals aren’t very good, and most modern engines aren’t that good with a manual.
I've read that the M3 is better suited to the DCT, but frankly, the MT works great. Car has very little lag and is very responsive.
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Old 07-19-2019, 01:29 PM   #20
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Ooohhhh there's a real convertible too?!?!

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