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Old 04-11-2019, 10:09 PM   #1
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Thoughts on Miata & misc FC ramblings

My NC Miata

After 2.5 years and nearly 8k miles I thought it would be worthwhile to mention a few things besides the obvious car-review stuff.

On the one hand, the car is liberating in many respects. It is "old & cheap," and coupled with its rock-solid reliability, the ownership is guilt-free. If it sits unused, who cares? If I've not washed it, or gets another chip or ding, who cares? My wife (still refuses to drive the M3) doesn't mind driving it at all for those same reasons. Heck, it is my winter beater and a great one at that with winter tires on. Yet somehow it still manages to look pretty modern and not terribly "girly." Also doesn't look bad at all from 20' out.

But it is raw. The sport suspension and aftermarket front sway make for an incredibly flat and sporty suspension. It is loud and louder in the highway. Like the MCS, it is geared very short (making it crazy-fun in-town), exacerbating the issue. In this day and age, the tech/connectivity is ancient (maybe a good thing). I just threw in an old CD with over 100 of my favorite MP3's and that is good enough. It does have heated seats - which are great. Replacing the gross original steering wheel with a custom Nappa wheel may be the best ~$250 I've ever spent on a car. I love that I can leave it parked in the airport for days or squeeze it into a tight spot and not care.

I love that car. Sometimes all it does is make me feel like fool for getting the M3. In some ways it is more fun. It's also a fraction of the cost. It's ridiculous fun for the money and I'm happy to have it. It now even works overtime as a winter beater!

Other times I get in the M3 and, man, what a car. Having been spoiled with owning a 987S, I do appreciate that step up in quality, refinement, sound, power, etc. The spoiled/vane/stupid part of me thinks in a few years maybe I should get a 981S. Maybe "just" a 2019+ ND. My Miata is kind of beat up, unrefined and, well, YOLO.

Ramblings on the future

In our household, we feel the need to have a used car to take on city/winter beater/sketchy parking duties. At times it also helps to have a "low-profile" car. The Miata fills this role now, though somewhat poorly as a 2-seater with no cargo space. Ideally, it should be some kind of used 4-door Golf hatch variant that could double as the kids car eventually. For lack of a better word, let's call it the utility car.

Replacing the Miata with something else (anything from a newish ND to a late 981) would also require buying a utility car. That would mean 4 cars. That's the pickle. The Miata is a super-cheap way to check a lot of boxes, though certainly not all of them. It would be hard to justify replacing it with two cars before my oldest can drive (5 years from now). The FC 5-year plan making a comeback?

Wild thought... At such time, would it be sane to consider keeping the NC Miata and AutoX/track/Lemons-ing it with kids? Basically turn into a dedicated track thing of sorts that can also act as a project car for kids to mess with they have interest in that sort of thing. My wife would likely veto this (5 cars ).

Of course, this all assumes that the M3 and LR4 are hanging around indefinitely. I don't see why not, frankly. But there may be a point in the distant future (when kids are in college?) where a Boxster may be all I need and the M3 could go. The LR4 I do see keeping forever. It's pushing 6 years and we love it still (especially with the new tires I just put on it).

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Old 04-12-2019, 06:48 PM   #2
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My NC Miata

After 2.5 years and nearly 8k miles I thought it would be worthwhile to mention a few things besides the obvious car-review stuff.

On the one hand, the car is liberating in many respects. It is "old & cheap," and coupled with its rock-solid reliability, the ownership is guilt-free. If it sits unused, who cares? If I've not washed it, or gets another chip or ding, who cares? My wife (still refuses to drive the M3) doesn't mind driving it at all for those same reasons. Heck, it is my winter beater and a great one at that with winter tires on. Yet somehow it still manages to look pretty modern and not terribly "girly." Also doesn't look bad at all from 20' out.

But it is raw. The sport suspension and aftermarket front sway make for an incredibly flat and sporty suspension. It is loud and louder in the highway. Like the MCS, it is geared very short (making it crazy-fun in-town), exacerbating the issue. In this day and age, the tech/connectivity is ancient (maybe a good thing). I just threw in an old CD with over 100 of my favorite MP3's and that is good enough. It does have heated seats - which are great. Replacing the gross original steering wheel with a custom Nappa wheel may be the best ~$250 I've ever spent on a car. I love that I can leave it parked in the airport for days or squeeze it into a tight spot and not care.

I love that car. Sometimes all it does is make me feel like fool for getting the M3. In some ways it is more fun. It's also a fraction of the cost. It's ridiculous fun for the money and I'm happy to have it. It now even works overtime as a winter beater!

Other times I get in the M3 and, man, what a car. Having been spoiled with owning a 987S, I do appreciate that step up in quality, refinement, sound, power, etc. The spoiled/vane/stupid part of me thinks in a few years maybe I should get a 981S. Maybe "just" a 2019+ ND. My Miata is kind of beat up, unrefined and, well, YOLO.

Ramblings on the future

In our household, we feel the need to have a used car to take on city/winter beater/sketchy parking duties. At times it also helps to have a "low-profile" car. The Miata fills this role now, though somewhat poorly as a 2-seater with no cargo space. Ideally, it should be some kind of used 4-door Golf hatch variant that could double as the kids car eventually. For lack of a better word, let's call it the utility car.

Replacing the Miata with something else (anything from a newish ND to a late 981) would also require buying a utility car. That would mean 4 cars. That's the pickle. The Miata is a super-cheap way to check a lot of boxes, though certainly not all of them. It would be hard to justify replacing it with two cars before my oldest can drive (5 years from now). The FC 5-year plan making a comeback?

Wild thought... At such time, would it be sane to consider keeping the NC Miata and AutoX/track/Lemons-ing it with kids? Basically turn into a dedicated track thing of sorts that can also act as a project car for kids to mess with they have interest in that sort of thing. My wife would likely veto this (5 cars ).

Of course, this all assumes that the M3 and LR4 are hanging around indefinitely. I don't see why not, frankly. But there may be a point in the distant future (when kids are in college?) where a Boxster may be all I need and the M3 could go. The LR4 I do see keeping forever. It's pushing 6 years and we love it still (especially with the new tires I just put on it).


I think your MX5 has been one of your better choices recently for the reasons you outlined. It won’t depreciate much and it’s always fun.

That written, moving from an MX5 of the same vintage to a 987 is a no brainer, IMO.

Don’t know what to say about the need for a low profile everyday car. Maybe after you’re bored with the M3 you find something that suits that bill.
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Old 04-12-2019, 09:38 PM   #3
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I think your MX5 has been one of your better choices recently for the reasons you outlined. It won’t depreciate much and it’s always fun.

That written, moving from an MX5 of the same vintage to a 987 is a no brainer, IMO.

Don’t know what to say about the need for a low profile everyday car. Maybe after you’re bored with the M3 you find something that suits that bill.
The low-profile car is not for me. It would be for my wife and for certain situations. Primarily, it’s the need for winter beater/small city car duties.
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I kept waiting for the negative turning "but..."

I'm glad it never came.

There's no reason not to turn it into track car other than maybe it's not the best candidate, but so what? If the obejct is to have fin, tinker, learn, and such, there's plenty you can do with the car to make it better for that application. Most of it will probably make it less useful in other roles you described. But, again, so what?

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The other day I managed to swing the tail out in the Miata on a dry, warmish day during some spirited country road driving. I didn't think it was possible. It was a ~110deg left hand turn and I did take it fast and applied power soon, etc. but I still didn't expect it to break loose. It was fun. It was predictable and easy to get it back in line.

I have to say that I am impressed with the grip on this car. That sport suspension +
front sway is amazing.
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The other day I managed to swing the tail out in the Miata on a dry, warmish day during some spirited country road driving. I didn't think it was possible. It was a ~110deg left hand turn and I did take it fast and applied power soon, etc. but I still didn't expect it to break loose. It was fun. It was predictable and easy to get it back in line.

I have to say that I am impressed with the grip on this car. That sport suspension +
front sway is amazing.


Stock suspension needs a lot of work. Bet it’s fun when it’s dialed in.

Modern cars are too heavy. It’s hateful. This is the true beauty of the Miata. It’s the only mass produced car that stayed on message.

The m2 weighs north of 3500lbs. How can that be fun in heavy braking? Anyone trust bmw to use robust brakes? Not me.
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The m2 weighs north of 3500lbs. How can that be fun in heavy braking? Anyone trust bmw to use robust brakes? Not me.
just watched a review of M2 comp and sounds like they are at least decent, forget the size but 6/4 piston
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I know the M2 has great reviews, but The M3 weighs only marginally more. A lot of people stopped paying attention to the M3 after the first year or two, but the last year or two were substantially better - especially with the ZCP.

Maybe the M2 still gets the slight nod, and it is certainly cheaper, but the M3 is a hell of a roomy sedan.
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