07-18-2020, 10:54 PM | #211 |
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Still no change!?
At this point, GM may stop making the Camaro by the time you're ready. Keep saving and find a C7! |
07-19-2020, 11:45 AM | #212 | |
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There’s a new one at or on the way to a VA dealer (that’s been at a dealer in New Hampshire since March)and I’ve been trying to talk to them, but they flat out refuse to talk to me without me making the 100 mile round trip to visit in person. Fuck that and fuck them. OTOH, they have four more cars inbound and I’d rather buy one of them than the one from NH. So, we’ll see. In the past two weeks, inventory has been rising faster than they’re being snapped up. They stop 2020 production in a couple weeks and start 2021. 21s add an automatic transmission option with the 1LE package, so I expect production of sticks to go down. I don’t need the car anytime soon, so I’m not in a rush to buy something other than to put it all behind me. Maybe incentives on 2020s start increasing soon? Carvana gave me a $19k offer for the first time today. A few dealers I’ve spoken to recently have not balked at matching Carvana offers. So, I’m feeling okay to continue sitting on the car for now if nothing shows up to buy.
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07-19-2020, 01:30 PM | #213 |
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How many dealers have you contacted (email or phone) in the last ten months? Ten? Fifteen? You know the options, pricing details and market supply/demand for these specific models better than they do. Why would they even sit at the poker table with you? They are going to spend a good bit of time but not make much money, if any. They'd rather wait around for an easier fish to take their bait.
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07-19-2020, 10:05 PM | #214 | |
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9:30am - Me : I'm interested in this Camaro and prepared to buy today. Is it available?No response. And that was over a week ago. I (expected?) hoped the car would sell last weekend or early this week so I could reach back out and transition to talking about one of the inbound cars they have on the way, but the car was still for sale as of this morning, so I've had plenty of responses in the past along the lines of, "We may be able to go as high as $X on your car if it's perfect, but it will probably closer to $Y...less if it looks like it's been in a crash or might need significant reconditioning," and "The price is what you see on the website. You always have more leverage if you're here in person, but that's the best I can do unless you come in." Almost all have made repeated efforts to get me to visit (even some that are hundreds of miles away), but still answered questions and kept me engaged. A few have gotten belligerent and tried bullying me into giving them more info than I want and then berated me about how I don't know how buying/selling cars works. Occasionally, some just never respond to initial inquiries. I have never had someone refuse to answer questions, refuse to name a price on their car (not even full MSRP plus fees), and completely fail to deliver a sales experience. I genuinely don't get it.
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07-20-2020, 06:52 AM | #215 |
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That's a bit frustrating, but for every person that's serious about remotely initiating a transaction in good faith, they probably get 100 people that are just casting fishing lines. And they also know that if they can get someone to drive a long distance to look at a more limited edition car, then they know you're pretty serious about it and that will put the bargaining chips in their favor right from the start. Because you're probably not going home empty handed.
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07-20-2020, 08:48 AM | #216 | |
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COVID has changed things. A lot. Dealers have dumped tons of money into third-party platforms to help them conduct and complete online sales. Showroom traffic is still down substantially. While I'm sure the online inquiry conversion rate is small, the in-person conversion rate is not large, but each in-person engagement takes vastly more time than online engagement. And, again, COVID has changed things including the ratio between these. This car is not a highly sought, hard to find, limited production kind of car. The cars are easy to find and substantially discounted. Finding one configured the way you want in a specific color with specific options is tougher than normal because they stopped building them for two months at a time when they were seeing an unexpected uptick in demand at a time before they were able to replenish supply following a seven week labor strike. Harder still when half the dealers lard their cars up with extra options that make them unsuitable. The same situation applies to much of GM's line up. Similar things are going on with other makes, but the GM strike makes it a bit worse for them.
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07-20-2020, 09:55 AM | #217 | |
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No, but it's also not something they have 400 of, piled up on the back lot. If it was, I'll bet the email exchange would've easily led to you driving home in your new car. |
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Anything ordered today would be a 2021 model. The 20s will cost less. On top of that, I'd prefer to be able to trade in the old car as part of the deal for reasons mentioned elsewhere. If used values start dropping, it may not be an issue much longer, since I'll sell at the top if that's where we are.
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