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Old 01-30-2020, 03:05 PM   #11
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Old 01-30-2020, 03:17 PM   #12
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Possibly. But remember Theo is coming from an M5...
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Old 01-30-2020, 03:20 PM   #13
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Just browsing used M3ís today and there are around 40 2017 Comp pkg manuals for sale at the moment. Seems to be some pretty decent deals as well. High 40ís low 50ís. This is less then I would be paying for a 2019 used Comp M2.

If you did not need the space which one would you guys get?
If I didn't need the space, I'd get the S55 M2, no doubt. I don't see the reason to drive the bigger car unless you need the back seats (and, indeed, the 4 doors; I can't think of a more pointless car than the M4).
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Old 01-30-2020, 03:24 PM   #14
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We can I ask what the reason for the original post was. Are you thinking of getting an M2?
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Old 01-30-2020, 04:08 PM   #15
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Possibly. But remember Theo is coming from an M5...
An E39 M5 is a very interesting car to drive. If the steering feel didn't suck, I'd have one instead of the E90 M3.

(And honestly, I probably should have just done the M5 anyway.)

I've never driven the F80, but everything I hear about the steering in that suggests that the steering is also awful.
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Old 01-30-2020, 04:17 PM   #16
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An E39 M5 is a very interesting car to drive. If the steering feel didn't suck, I'd have one instead of the E90 M3.

(And honestly, I probably should have just done the M5 anyway.)

I've never driven the F80, but everything I hear about the steering in that suggests that the steering is also awful.
The steering is not great. I don't think it's E39 M5 bad, but it's been a long time since I drove one of those. We really need to get together so you can try mine.

It's not clear to me that the steering in the M2 is any better, though--isn't it basically the same parts?
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Old 01-30-2020, 04:28 PM   #17
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The steering is not great. I don't think it's E39 M5 bad, but it's been a long time since I drove one of those. We really need to get together so you can try mine.

It's not clear to me that the steering in the M2 is any better, though--isn't it basically the same parts?
Logically, you'd think so. But most/all reviewers seem to praise the M2's steering (relative to other BMWs). Steering feel is so sensitive to even minor differences that it could be stuff like slightly different bushings, tires, lighter weight, etc. Could also be psychological in that driving a smaller car is inherently more engaging and feels more maneuverable.
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Logically, you'd think so. But most/all reviewers seem to praise the M2's steering (relative to other BMWs). Steering feel is so sensitive to even minor differences that it could be stuff like slightly different bushings, tires, lighter weight, etc. Could also be psychological in that driving a smaller car is inherently more engaging and feels more maneuverable.
My guess is that it is a lot of the latter.
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Old 01-30-2020, 07:11 PM   #19
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We can I ask what the reason for the original post was. Are you thinking of getting an M2?
No, not at all. My needs are now for bigger and more practical. Just ran across it while looking for various used BMWs.
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Old 01-30-2020, 11:01 PM   #20
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The M2 Competition has just become relevant to my interests. What's the difference form the M2?
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