01-30-2014, 01:18 PM | #51 |
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So you're perfectly comfortable comparing a 911S against a Ferrari 456? Given your argument, because the 456 is largely hand-built it's very expensive, but that's just how they chose to do things.
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01-30-2014, 01:20 PM | #52 |
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agreed.
and i'd drive home in a better pre-owned car than a new car (that depreciates more) and is less satisfying. i don't have the buffet mentality. i'd rather have a smaller serving and pay the same amount of money if the food tastes better. completely subjective. but from my own experience, it's really not a joy, to drive a C6. it's numb as hell and it's a gigantically wide car with an ill-damped suspension. do i suppose that the C7 is going to be better, now that it's gained 200lbs? hmmm.....
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i'm comfortable with that. i'd take a porsche over any mclaren or ferrari, if only because of the superior dealer network and greater number of knowledgeable mechanics. at this level of car, which is vastly removed from a camry, anything subjective can be the decision maker and one could not fault anyone else for how they make their decision.
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You're talking about a 5+ year old used 911 at the $60k price point. That's hard to swallow IMO vs a new car w/warranty. |
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you'll forgive me if i'm skeptical about steering feel, though.
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01-30-2014, 01:29 PM | #56 | |
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Personally, I find it most interesting to read about comparisons at a particular price point. Because I tend to think "what can I get for this amount of money". Regardless of whether the cars are apples/oranges in other ways. A base Cayman vs a Stingray would be interesting to me for example. There was another comparison test floating around of a Fiesta ST vs an e46 M3...that's also interesting even if its "not valid". More often than not, the car that costs more ends up being the "better car" which makes comparisons of non price matched cars kind of boring unless its a true underdog story. New car leasing muddies the waters further...An Audi S4 might end up costing as much to lease as a BMW 550 for example. SO there's lots of reasons to compare cars that seem apples and oranges. That being said even price matched comparisons of new/used cars don't tell the whole story if you omit ownership costs. A Ferrari 456 will cost you a lot more to maintain for example than a new 911S. Last edited by robg; 01-30-2014 at 01:40 PM. |
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01-30-2014, 01:35 PM | #57 |
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01-30-2014, 02:20 PM | #58 | |
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Further, I'm much more interested in comparison of cars I have a chance of affording too. Ferrari, Porsche? Not any where close to being affordable in my world. Which is why, uh, I'm much more interested in: Miata BRZ / FR-S WRX FoST FiST Mazdaspeed3 GTI Mustang (what the hell, interested in the new one) etc. Besides being within the realm of possibility for me, I also think it's more challenging to see how good of a sports / sporty car an automaker can build and design if they are constrained by a particular pricepoint. $90k, $250k car, yeah, there is more "budget" in that price for nice engines, bespoked suspension, fancy materials and finishs, and tuning time. $20-25k car? Much tougher it seems to me as there are going to be compromises all over the place because they need to sell the car at a lower price point.
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for the cars you listed, i'd be curious as to your feedback as well as that in print.
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