carmudgeons.com  

Go Back   carmudgeons.com > Automotive Forums > Car Talk > Perseverators Anonymous

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 04-01-2022, 12:00 PM   #21
robg
Carmudgeon
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 3,224
Quote:
Originally Posted by lemming View Post
Yes —and I didn’t respond directly to Nick’s context but I can to his and your point here. One of the assumptions is that it fits conservative financial guidelines.

It is difficult to know if any car purchase right now is tenable as an investment because it’s so frothy. I think this will not meet that criterion. The homer in me still says yes? It’s a 2 year wait for a 992TT and even now, it’s not guaranteed that it will be hybrid-free. By the time you get your allocation, it’s highly likely the 992.2TT is a hybrid turbo. And it’s not clear that anyone wants this.

So you could argue buying a 992TT now at the market, which is 300,000 is fine. You enjoy it and sell it and sell it for basically what you paid for it.

I think it’s unwieldy though, to act like this isn’t an egregious amount of money for a car. Except for the paragraph above, it’s quite scary as a proposition.
Yeah I think I'd only do it if I were ok with the idea of losing some percentage of that to depreciation. It could turn out that it loses nothing or even gains value but I wouldn't want to go into it assuming that.
robg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2022, 12:07 PM   #22
Nick M3
Relic
 
Nick M3's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Bethesda, MD
Posts: 12,438
Quote:
Originally Posted by lemming View Post
Yes —and I didn’t respond directly to Nick’s context but I can to his and your point here. One of the assumptions is that it fits conservative financial guidelines.

It is difficult to know if any car purchase right now is tenable as an investment because it’s so frothy. I think this will not meet that criterion. The homer in me still says yes? It’s a 2 year wait for a 992TT and even now, it’s not guaranteed that it will be hybrid-free. By the time you get your allocation, it’s highly likely the 992.2TT is a hybrid turbo. And it’s not clear that anyone wants this.

So you could argue buying a 992TT now at the market, which is 300,000 is fine. You enjoy it and sell it and sell it for basically what you paid for it.

I think it’s unwieldy though, to act like this isn’t an egregious amount of money for a car. Except for the paragraph above, it’s quite scary as a proposition.
I don't see what's wrong with a hybrid 992TT. It's PDK only, and all about insane numbers. A hybrid one will be even more insane.
__________________
2011 M3
2006 Sierra 2500HD 4WD LBZ/Allison
2004 X5 3.0i 6MT
1995 M3 S50B32
1990 325is
1989 M3 S54B32

Hers:
1989 325iX
1996 911 Turbo


Nick M3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2022, 12:30 PM   #23
John V
No more BMWs
 
John V's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Carmudgeonly Ride: Ram, MS3, CX-5, RX-8
Location: Glenwood, MD
Posts: 14,753
Yeah, I mean if I were in the market for something like a 911 Turbo I think I'd just buy a Tesla. You get to go nearly as fast or faster (depending on the model) and they're both really just about straight line speed anyway.
John V is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2022, 12:47 PM   #24
SCA
Jaded
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 8,992
This recent news below is all but certain to push mild hybridization even further.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	525C4B62-4F03-461D-8CAD-F5A3CCB20247.jpeg
Views:	133
Size:	589.5 KB
ID:	14467  
SCA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2022, 01:06 PM   #25
Nick M3
Relic
 
Nick M3's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Bethesda, MD
Posts: 12,438
Quote:
Originally Posted by John V View Post
Yeah, I mean if I were in the market for something like a 911 Turbo I think I'd just buy a Tesla. You get to go nearly as fast or faster (depending on the model) and they're both really just about straight line speed anyway.
Maybe it’s just me, but it doesn’t even occur to me to compare a Tesla to a TT.

Totally different cars.
__________________
2011 M3
2006 Sierra 2500HD 4WD LBZ/Allison
2004 X5 3.0i 6MT
1995 M3 S50B32
1990 325is
1989 M3 S54B32

Hers:
1989 325iX
1996 911 Turbo


Nick M3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2022, 01:11 PM   #26
SCA
Jaded
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 8,992
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick M3 View Post
Maybe it’s just me, but it doesn’t even occur to me to compare a Tesla to a TT.

Totally different cars.
I am in the same boat with you.
SCA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2022, 01:42 PM   #27
lemming
Western Anomaly
 
lemming's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Carmudgeonly Ride: White Orca
Posts: 16,582
Quote:
Originally Posted by SCA View Post
I am in the same boat with you.
The Turbo S is about more than straight line speed though —it can brake as well. Not sure a Tesla can say that?
__________________


lemming is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2022, 01:47 PM   #28
SCA
Jaded
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 8,992
Quote:
Originally Posted by lemming View Post
The Turbo S is about more than straight line speed though —it can brake as well. Not sure a Tesla can say that?
Telsa and any variant of the 911 would never be in the same sentence for me. Telsa’s current autos do absolutely nothing for me.
SCA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2022, 01:55 PM   #29
IndyMike
Elected by grace
 
IndyMike's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Carmudgeonly Ride: 11 1 M; 11 328iT; 22 M240ix
Location: Brickyard
Posts: 1,962
Quote:
Originally Posted by lemming View Post
The Turbo S is about more than straight line speed though —it can brake as well. Not sure a Tesla can say that?
I think a Tesla can break sooner and better.
__________________
The path to God is clear.......and it takes us to the cross.
IndyMike is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2022, 01:56 PM   #30
robg
Carmudgeon
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 3,224
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick M3 View Post
I don't see what's wrong with a hybrid 992TT. It's PDK only, and all about insane numbers. A hybrid one will be even more insane.
+1

I really dont understand the objection to adding mild hybrid systems to modern turbocharged cars. Its not like it somehow dilutes the "purity" of the experience...mostly what mild hybrid systems do is make the car feel better in everyday traffic situations by remvoing any sort of lag from a start. They also serve to make start/stop systems not suck (you dont even notice it). Not much weight penalty either. And with the better designed systems, it's neutral in terms of added complexity since they are able to ditch the traditional starter motor (which is another cool thing about these mild hybrid systems--ultra quick and smooth starts with no "cranking"). Having a hard time seeing the downsides here...
robg is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
So Not Worth It. nate Car Talk 5 02-26-2013 05:00 PM
MB's I used to like and how little they are worth now FC Car Talk 17 08-24-2007 10:52 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:03 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Forums © 2003-2008, 'Mudgeon Enterprises - Site hosting by AYN & Associates, LLC