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Old 05-16-2018, 09:28 AM   #31
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Are there any tires that exist that have a stiff sidewall / carcass but a lower-dry-traction compound? I thought the Conti Sport might be that tire? I have Conti DWs on the Boxster and they're fine, but they're still a bit squishy in corners which is not fitting with the character of the car. They do slide around nicely which is part of why I like them.
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Old 05-16-2018, 09:42 AM   #32
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Are there any tires that exist that have a stiff sidewall / carcass but a lower-dry-traction compound? I thought the Conti Sport might be that tire? I have Conti DWs on the Boxster and they're fine, but they're still a bit squishy in corners which is not fitting with the character of the car. They do slide around nicely which is part of why I like them.
Old stock PSS?
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Old 05-16-2018, 09:48 AM   #33
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Are there any tires that exist that have a stiff sidewall / carcass but a lower-dry-traction compound? I thought the Conti Sport might be that tire? I have Conti DWs on the Boxster and they're fine, but they're still a bit squishy in corners which is not fitting with the character of the car. They do slide around nicely which is part of why I like them.
re050 potenzas fit that billing. Not as grippy as PSS in the dry, still very good in the wet, strong b-stone sidewalls. P-zeros have better sidewalls than the dw's but are 'meh' in the wet and absolutely fall apart below 55F compared to PSS or re050. Both of those tires will have better driving feel compared to the DW. I don't think the DW suits the character of the porsche. It was fine on a 335xi. I'd consider it or the contisport on the 535i.

That said, PSS and likely the PS4S are better than either the p-zero or the b-stone. Why do you want reduced dry grip again?
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re050 potenzas fit that billing. Not as grippy as PSS in the dry, still very good in the wet, strong b-stone sidewalls. P-zeros have better sidewalls than the dw's but are 'meh' in the wet and absolutely fall apart below 55F compared to PSS or re050. Both of those tires will have better driving feel compared to the DW. I don't think the DW suits the character of the porsche. It was fine on a 335xi. I'd consider it or the contisport on the 535i.

That said, PSS and likely the PS4S are better than either the p-zero or the b-stone. Why do you want reduced dry grip again?
Because not enough power.
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Why do you want reduced dry grip again?
The answer is Miata.
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Old 05-17-2018, 05:36 AM   #36
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The DWs suit the car fine. But I now have a beater that I use whenever it rains, so I don't strictly need the wet-road awesomeness of the DW.

I already have a car that has face-bending grip. I don't need one for the street because I can't use it anywhere. I'd rather have something that I can push a bit at sane speeds and work the balance of the car.
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Old 05-21-2018, 12:44 PM   #37
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Conti DW's: I've had them on my E46 twice now (17" wheels) and I liked them. Good mix of comfort and decent but not ridiculous grip. So I also go them for the Cayman on 18" wheels (down from 19" stock) and I don't like them nearly as much. They don't feel like a good fit for the car. There's a noticeable loss in steering precision over the the 19" Potenza RE050A's. Of course, how much of that is the wheel size, I don't really know.

Michelin Pilot Super Sport XL: For the first time in my life I ponied up for Michelin PSS's for the E46 (again, on 17's). I wish I had stuck with the DW's. They are noticeably stiffer over bad roadsthan the DW's. It makes no sense for a car like this. I suppose they're grippier, but I didn't need more grip. It's not worth the loss in ride quality.


But even with the DW's, I don't get to the limits of grip in the Cayman without driving like an absolute maniac. JV you mentioned sliding around on them in the boxster. It must be your heavy convertible top motor and my lightweight aluminum doors making all the difference.
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I never liked super stiff tires on the E46. My theory is the scrub radius is all screwy on that chassis if you put any reasonable width wheel and tire on it and it just leads to the steering tugging around over every groove in the road. Making the E46 "sporty" is a fool's errand.

Maybe my calibration is off, when the Boxster arrived it had Goodyear somethingorother supercar tires on it, and I hated them. I went for the DWs because they were a known quantity. They're pretty low profile (19" wheels) so that certainly helps.

You saw how many traffic circles are in my area. It's not hard to exceed the limits of a tire around a traffic circle that tight.
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You saw how many traffic circles are in my area. It's not hard to exceed the limits of a tire around a traffic circle that tight.
Oh come on, let me pretend it's my pull strap door handles and cup holder delete that produces the magical grip.

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Old 05-21-2018, 10:21 PM   #40
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FWIW the ride quality on the PSSs is way better than the PS2s, at least on my car.

I really liked S03s on my E46. But they did tramline like mofos.
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