11-23-2019, 09:07 PM | #51 |
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The average price of a new truck sold in America is something like 55 Grand IIRC.
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11-23-2019, 09:20 PM | #52 |
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11-23-2019, 09:47 PM | #53 |
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11-23-2019, 10:58 PM | #54 | |
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I wasn't too concerned with the power/range specs of the cybertruck but more by the design - which doesn't seem "right" or even have anything to do with any of their other products; part of me might be rejecting them irrationally, but then there is a part of me that thinks they have designed some good things and feel strongly let down by this. The Model S is spot on, so many years on, it still looks good. The truck hits the opposite end of that, I'm highly doubtful they'll make money on it in the conventional way, but that's just a guess. I also think the Mach-E might be the first serious EV competitor to Tesla unless Ford finds a way to f*** up their quality - though that would not surprise me. |
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11-24-2019, 06:29 AM | #55 |
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11-24-2019, 10:57 AM | #56 | |
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I’ve never suggested Musk hasn’t delivered product. I’ve never suggested Tesla hasn’t or can’t deliver a car that works for certain people with certain use cases. I’ve criticized him and his company for deliberately making false claims, deceptive practices, and irresponsibly putting everyone in range of his company’s vehicles at risk of injury and death. I’ve criticized his disciples and evangelists for excusing, justifying, rationalizing, marginalizing, and ignoring their hero’s intentional false claims, deceptive practices, and reckless endangerment as well as their capability for self-delusion such as believing that because the product may work for them in their narrowly limited use case, it must work for the overwhelming majority for people in nearly all use cases.
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11-24-2019, 11:20 AM | #57 |
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I’ve never done any of that, but comparing Tesla to the USSR or Nazi Germany isn’t terribly persuasive advocacy.
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11-24-2019, 11:26 AM | #58 | |
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Who is arguing it works for "nearly all use cases"? It works for a shitload of people. It doesn't work for everyone. Why does this get you so worked up? Do I need to make a list of things that not everyone can have, yet the rest of us enjoy them on a regular basis? Why don't these trigger you as well? |
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If you'd like to continue discussing this (which I would) please read the text I quoted, what I wrote, the questions I asked you, and respond to them. Kthxbye |
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