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Old 09-19-2019, 05:14 PM   #31
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It’s not just the Performance 3 that has seen a price drop... Not quite as drastic, the the “regular” dual motor 3 is also a bit lower in price. About $4k lower to replace my car with an identical one, but with “full self driving” instead of just “enhanced auto pilot”...
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Old 09-20-2019, 09:16 AM   #32
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New Carvana offer today is $18,252.
$18,215 now.
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Old 09-20-2019, 09:59 AM   #33
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I feel like no one is acknowledging how good a deal the Tesla Model 3 Performance is.



I just built an equivalent 340i and it is $64,220.


I did, and you’re not wrong. I’ll likely go with bmw for one more lease cycle and hopefully by then tesla will have some of the things that are currently deal breakers for me. I did sit in a model 3 recently while waiting for my wife to do some shopping - interior build quality felt pretty solid.
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Old 09-20-2019, 11:25 AM   #34
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$18,215 now.
https://jalopnik.com/the-2020-ford-m...age-1838249298

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Spiritually, it’s the new Ford Mustang SVO...

This HPP EcoBoost Mustang, with the handling package, is an autocross all-star waiting to happen.
I mean, Kristen Lee is probably not qualified to comment on autocross competition at the level you're looking for, but it's a positive review. Only problem is the price and the lack of bangers.

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8:30 on. 9.5" front wheel.

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Old 09-20-2019, 02:34 PM   #35
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I mean, Kristen Lee is probably not qualified to comment on autocross competition at the level you're looking for, but it's a positive review. Only problem is the price and the lack of bangers.

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8:30 on. 9.5" front wheel.
I talked about price in the other thread. The car configured the way I'd buy it will MSRP at $36,755 (which includes the $1095 destination fee I left out in the EBHPPP thread). I still expect this car to be buyable for $30ish at some point before the 2020 national autox seasons starts...if one configured as such can be found:

2020 Ecoboost ($26,770)
2.3L High Performance Package ($4,995)
Handling Package ($1,995)
101A Equipment Group ($2,000) (because fuck Ford for requiring it with the Handling Package)

Based on what early inventory/orders look like, that may be tough based on the hopefully-not-representative-sample I just saw on Ford's site. Maybe there are some build/order constraints right now? (Not uncommon.) But, anyway...

If it gets classed in D Street, I think it could be a class killer...unless it rains.

If it gets classed in F Street, I think it...could do well. There's already very little (if any) daylight between DS and FS from a performance standpoint.
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Old 09-20-2019, 03:52 PM   #36
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I mean, Kristen Lee is probably not qualified to comment on autocross competition at the level you're looking for, but it's a positive review. Only problem is the price and the lack of bangers.
I paid around $36k for a pristine 340i.

In person, Kristen is a smart, sweet girl. She took a (not-so-great) picture of Ida at the Jalopnik Newark show (sorry can't seem to resize smaller):

https://jalopnik.com/here-is-your-gi...sho-1820770477

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Old 09-20-2019, 06:00 PM   #37
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I feel like no one is acknowledging how good a deal the Tesla Model 3 Performance is.

I just built an equivalent 340i and it is $64,220.
The price is a bargain for the performance, I think it is just most people myself included need to get used to the idea of charging a car plus the part of Tesla not being a main stream manufacturer is a negative thing, I want my car fixed right away if an accident occurred ... how is Tesla service, is it normal where you bring your car in and it gets fixed right away ?


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It's a shapeless egg with a mouthless Keanu Reeves in "The Matrix" face. It better be good at something.
I think the Tesla 3 is a really cool looking car, I love the whole look, even the plain nose ... it reminds me of a car from the future that you see in the movies.

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At three model years old and 36,000 miles, if I'd paid $24,500, an $18k offer today would be...meh?
$6,500 loss on a 3 year old car purchased brand new and 36k miles is amazing and you know I’ve owned A LOT of new cars. I always expect a $6k loss (actually more like $8k to $10k) at a minimum per year.
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$6,500 loss on a 3 year old car purchased brand new and 36k miles is amazing and you know I’ve owned A LOT of new cars. I always expect a $6k loss (actually more like $8k to $10k) at a minimum per year.
$6500 depreciation on a car you paid $65k for is one thing. Perhaps you could call that thing, I don't know, say, 10%.

$6500 depreciation on a car you paid $24,500 for is another thing. Perhaps you could that thing, I don't know, say, 27%.

A 73% residual value on a 3 year old car with 36k miles is good (and surprisingly good for a pony car) but I don't see it as OMGWTFBBQWOW!!!! good.
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$6,500 loss on a 3 year old car purchased brand new and 36k miles is amazing and you know I’ve owned A LOT of new cars. I always expect a $6k loss (actually more like $8k to $10k) at a minimum per year.
Yeah, this is practically nothing. Clyde, you'd officially be into humblebrag territory at this point; except the car you want to buy has also benefited to your partial detriment.


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I won’t turn this into another Tesla thread except to say the service has always been fine, equivalent to what I expect from BMW (and far better than VW), and once you get used to not buying gas, you’ll hate having to do it way more than anything to do with charging.
Somehow, everything turns into a Tesla thread.
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Yeah, this is practically nothing. Clyde, you'd officially be into humblebrag territory at this point; except the car you want to buy has also benefited to your partial detriment.
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$6500 depreciation on a car you paid $65k for is one thing. Perhaps you could call that thing, I don't know, say, 10%.

$6500 depreciation on a car you paid $24,500 for is another thing. Perhaps you could that thing, I don't know, say, 27%.

A 73% residual value on a 3 year old car with 36k miles is good (and surprisingly good for a pony car) but I don't see it as OMGWTFBBQWOW!!!! good.
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