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08-03-2017, 11:31 AM | #1 |
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M3 or RS3?
I've been quick to dismiss the RS3 for it's lack of manual, transverse engine layout, and general non-BMW-ness, but it is $10K cheaper, and it's AWD. And given its projected year-round around town use, that's a huge plus. In real life, it may well be much faster than an M3. Reviews claim it is more fun and faster than an M2.
It also sounds good and it's smaller. It's newer. And I can still do ED next year. In fact, I could wait until the following year - something I cannot do with the BMW because it ends production next year. The big issue is the lack of manual. Thoughts? |
08-03-2017, 11:36 AM | #2 |
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If it's the same DSG whatevertheycallit (and programming) that is in the GTI, no thanks (and I'm the guy who likes SMG.)
That's a definite needs a test drive kind of thing to figure out tho.... |
08-03-2017, 11:39 AM | #3 |
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08-03-2017, 11:54 AM | #4 |
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I really like everything about that car. Size, engine, looks. But yeah the lack of a manual kills it. What's the MSRP with the options you want?
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08-03-2017, 11:57 AM | #5 | |
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An M3 would be 71-76K MSRP depending if I go stripper or full fancy-pants. But the Audi would see ~5% off whereas the M3 would be more like 9%. |
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08-03-2017, 12:00 PM | #6 |
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The problem with the Audi DSG is that it's so good that you just leave it in D 99% of the time. The good thing is that if you don't mind giving up the *pleasure* of driving manual, it's pretty fucking great.
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08-03-2017, 12:17 PM | #7 |
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I mean, for me the auto/DSG makes it a non-starter. And as much as I like my Golf, I have a hard time believing that you can make that platform as rewarding as a true RWD car.
But, yeah, I'd say you have to drive one to see how much the DSG bums you out. |
08-03-2017, 12:40 PM | #8 |
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Well, it's likely to lose out because of the lack of MT.
I drove a DSG GTI and I liked it as an automatic. But I just like to shift my own damn gears and I've said before, I feel it's matter of time before I'll even have the option. I need to drive them (ideally back-to-back but that will be hard). |
08-03-2017, 01:34 PM | #9 |
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I'm pretty damn intrigued by the RS3 as well.
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08-03-2017, 01:53 PM | #10 |
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why is the M2 not a option, number of doors?
If you test drive one see if it auto upshifts near redline. That bugs me since I want full control if driving an auto Recent review of the RS3 I read made the handling sound pretty fun. Quattro or audi sport or whatever they are called seems to have tuned the haldex pretty good. |
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