Feels like I've been here before - Page 29

wdc330i · 10-27-2020, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by clyde

I mean this exists too:
https://www.carmax.com/car/12391930489

Needs no explanation? - Check
Has panache? - Check
Gets you fucked up? - Check

What's not love?

Plenty. Fucking plenty not to love.

Sweety linky trick!

Josh (PA) · 10-27-2020, 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clyde

I mean this exists too:
https://www.carmax.com/car/12391930489

Needs no explanation? - Check
Has panache? - Check
Gets you fucked up? - Check

What's not love?

Plenty. Fucking plenty not to love.

Yep, I was *mostly* joking. I had assumed they depreciated to a meaningful point before I started looking for one for you. When I saw higher mile ones were going for mid $30s to $40s I LOL'ed a little. Then that one came up and fit the scene just right.

In all honesty, I do think the Model 3 is the best idea you've had so far. Either that or whatever C7 iteration best fits your use case. For my own interest, does a Camaro do anything better than the C7?

*clyde* · 10-27-2020, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Josh (PA)

In all honesty, I do think the Model 3 is the best idea you've had so far. Either that or whatever C7 iteration best fits your use case. For my own interest, does a Camaro do anything better than the C7?

I don't think the 3 is a good idea for me right now. That or a similar comparable electric car 3-5 years later is where it feels like it will best fit.

On the Camaro vs C7 question...

The 1SS 1LE I drove Saturday is owned by a good friend that also owns a C7GS. Both of the cars are also the second examples of them he's owned...the first being configured differently. He also has a lot of high level competition and track time with these and other cars, as well as a long history of winning competitive driving events, teaching a lot of people how to drive competitively and makes his living selling parts and setting cars up to win.

On top of all that, he has some decent insight into what makes clyde's brain tick dating back about 17 years now.

Long winded way of saying that he knows what he's talking about (even when he's wrong) and communicating what I need to hear at times when I need to hear it, particularly WRT cars. I trust his opinion.

We spent some time talking about the differences between the Camaro and Corvette as competition cars and as daily drivers. He thinks the 6th gen Camaro is a better platform than the C7 even if the C7 is "faster."

He uses the term "Porschelike" a lot and thinks it's more rewarding to drive than the C7. Not much and very subtle, but still. The different driving modes allow for better configuration because you can change steering, shock, throttle, traction, stability, and exhaust setting independently of each other in the Camaro, but they're mostly linked in the Corvette. He thinks the Camaro's build quality is better ("If I take the Vette through car wash," points to A-pillar/roof joint, "drip, drip, drip for a minute. And, you know, the 'C' in 'Corvette' stills stands for 'creak.'" He was also pretty happy with how well the structure held up when his first one met its early end.

OTOH, he thinks the Corvette is easier to live with in some ways. The hatch area is more versatile/easier than the Camaro's trunk. He's not scared shitless every time he backs out of a parking spot with SUVs on either side. Rear quarter visibility is better on the road. But, then again, it's lower and which makes it just enough more of a pain to get in/out when back issues are acting up.

Driving wise, he seemed to think the Camaro is "better." Daily driving wise, he was more non-committal in a "which parts matter more to you?" kind of way.

Honestly, the conversation pushed me more towards a Camaro 2SS 1LE than anything. The 2SS basically adds bells and whistles over the 1SS in what I think is an overpriced package for what you get. $5k for heated/ventilated seats, heated steering wheel, fancy rear mirror/camera thing, auto dimming mirrors, Bose, color interior LED mood lighting, dual zone climate, homelink, blind spot warning, rear park assist.

I would value the heated seats, steering wheel, and auto-dimming mirrors, but not to the tune of $5k. With them, though, I'd be happier with the car.

John V · 10-27-2020, 03:35 PM

The comments from various reviewers (like Randy Pobst) have been pretty glowing for the Camaro platform vs. ... well vs. everything. But specifically vs the C7 GS.

Josh (PA) · 10-28-2020, 11:35 AM

How does the gt350 compare price wise and other. That car seems to be universally loved to 911 type levels

lemming · 10-28-2020, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Josh (PA)

How does the gt350 compare price wise and other. That car seems to be universally loved to 911 type levels

Some of us owned the e90 m3 so the GT350 is kind of a yawn.

To add to that, if I had to choose between a high strung Ford V8 or a Chevy small block, I’d go with the LT1 motor.

I don’t trust Ford to execute to the nth degree in basically a racing motor for the street. Vibration is an ailment here, no?

Whereas the LT1 is pretty solid.

*clyde* · 10-28-2020, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Josh (PA)

How does the gt350 compare price wise and other. That car seems to be universally loved to 911 type levels

What lemming and JV said. The GT350 is fantastic on paper, but it has issues...especially the Voodoo engine and those issues are serious and widespread. Seems to be much more likely than the Porsche IMS problems or spun bearings in BMW M cars that have given so many here agita in considering those cars. Also has transmission issues, but they're not as bad. It uses the Tremec 6060 6 speed, which is the same transmission that was in my turbo Camaro, but the GT350 version has some reinforcing to allow it handle the Voodoo's rated torque...but that's it! It's a decent and comparatively light (which is why it's in the GT350) transmission and pretty durable up to a point, but if you try to put too much power through it, it won't last.

Pricewise, MSRP is just over $60 and I think used ones are going for mid/high $50s. Performancewise, they are comparable to the Camaro xSS 1LE. Perhaps slightly better in certain cases.

The new Mach 1 will be the shit come spring. Basically, it's a GT350 without the Voodoo problems because it uses the Coyote engine. It will MSRP at $53 to start and add $5k for the "handling pack" I would need. That's going to be too pricey for me, but the car is going to be awesome.

kognito · 10-29-2020, 11:15 AM

Not sure about handling packages, but Ohio too far away?

https://www.carfax.com/vehicle/1G1FJ1R67K0147478

John V · 10-28-2020, 01:06 PM

The GT350 Voodoo engine is well known to have a bunch of issues.

equ · 11-30-2020, 03:32 PM

THIS THREAD NEEDS MORE PICS!

10-28-2020, 11:35 AM	#5
Josh (PA) Hello. Join Date: Mar 2004 Carmudgeonly Ride: '09 X3, '11 328xiT, '11 135i C, '17 c2, '19 X5 Location: Downingtown, PA Posts: 5,562	How does the gt350 compare price wise and other. That car seems to be universally loved to 911 type levels __________________ Josh (PA) - '19 X5 '17 991.2 C2 Cab '11 135i Convertible '11 328xiT '09 X3

10-29-2020, 11:15 AM	#8
kognito older fart than ZBB Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: On the road again Posts: 8,916	Not sure about handling packages, but Ohio too far away? https://www.carfax.com/vehicle/1G1FJ1R67K0147478 __________________ 2017 GMC Sierra 1500 SLE 2020 Fusion Titanium

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John V No more BMWs Join Date: Apr 2005 Carmudgeonly Ride: Ram, MS3, CX-5, RX-8 Location: Glenwood, MD Posts: 14,753	The comments from various reviewers (like Randy Pobst) have been pretty glowing for the Camaro platform vs. ... well vs. everything. But specifically vs the C7 GS.

10-28-2020, 01:06 PM	#9
John V No more BMWs Join Date: Apr 2005 Carmudgeonly Ride: Ram, MS3, CX-5, RX-8 Location: Glenwood, MD Posts: 14,753	The GT350 Voodoo engine is well known to have a bunch of issues.

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equ Alphanumeric Join Date: Aug 2005 Carmudgeonly Ride: 981S, 340i Posts: 9,591	THIS THREAD NEEDS MORE PICS!