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Old 03-07-2017, 08:18 PM   #21
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Rumatt: want to spend a day w/ an e88 135? I'd be happy to hand it over for a day (seriously).

BTW, obviously, this is what you want:
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Old 03-07-2017, 08:52 PM   #22
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Then I realized... other than the engine noise (which included the higher pitch noise which I guess is the intake?) it was quieter than expected for a convertible. There were a few rattles but it didn't have that "is there a window open?" feel like when I've driven miatas.
Modern premium convertibles are nothing like topless cars of yore - I often think of my car as the perfect two-fer, I drive it all winter top-up where it's comfy and warm, and relatively quiet - there's no flapping and in the case of the BMW, not even a squeak or rattle from the well-fitted top. All the normal BMW qualities are there; great shifter, ride, handling, strong brakes and on the e46 zhp, great steering.

When spring comes, it's like I bought another new car - the top goes down and there's a whole season ahead of top-down fun; night drives during summer, top down, great exhaust sounds and smells (except for dead animals smells ...). The car is transformed as is the experience.

A modern Boxster would be the better choice between it and a Cayman, imo. Two-seaters as verts are hard to beat, and the new Boxster actually looks nice, too - avoid the largest sized, lowest profile wheels and stiff suspensions for driving up here, though - my next car will have a normal suspension and thicker profile tires. My 2 cents.
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Old 03-07-2017, 10:33 PM   #23
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Rumatt: want to spend a day w/ an e88 135? I'd be happy to hand it over for a day (seriously).
I'd be happy to give it a drive some time. Where in PA are you? My folks live in north east PA.
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Old 03-07-2017, 10:33 PM   #24
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my next car will have a normal suspension and thicker profile tires. My 2 cents.
You know that 17" wheels fit on your car right? The rest of the ZHP parts still work even when the non-ZHP wheels are swapped on.

I even have some you could borrow if you wanted to swap them on and go for a ride.
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Old 03-07-2017, 11:32 PM   #25
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1. PASM - a very comfortable suspension. The fixed sports suspension is slightly more fun, but this is better for everyday roads. Either suspension is noticeably better than base, IMHO.
Does the priority if PASM change of you were buying a 987? Did it work as well?
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Old 03-08-2017, 12:43 AM   #26
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You know that 17" wheels fit on your car right? The rest of the ZHP parts still work even when the non-ZHP wheels are swapped on.

I even have some you could borrow if you wanted to swap them on and go for a ride.
Hey thanks for the offer. I do have 17's with snows mounted on them. I didn't bother to put them on this year as winter stayed pretty mild. I like the way the car feels with the 17's, that could just be a placebo effect, though ... who knows

I've thought of changing the wheels to 17's when it's time for the next round of tires ... love the way the zhp wheels look, though, ... we'll see.
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Old 03-08-2017, 07:36 AM   #27
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I do have 17's with snows mounted on them. I didn't bother to put them on this year as winter stayed pretty mild. I like the way the car feels with the 17's, that could just be a placebo effect, though ... who knows
Tires have a significant variation on sidewall stiffness, particularly snows. It makes a huge difference.
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Old 03-08-2017, 07:40 AM   #28
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My M3 was significantly more comfortable on 17s and Michelin all seasons--and not much less sporty.
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Old 03-08-2017, 07:56 AM   #29
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Re: PASM--I never wanted it on the 987 because I didn't think it made things better and it seemed like one additional thing to break.
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Old 03-08-2017, 08:34 AM   #30
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I didn't have PASM on either of my 987's. The cars felt plenty sporty but perhaps I didn't know better. The 987.2 had a marginally better ride than the 987.1 (different tire pressures too). The 987.1 had better sound and much better clutch feel. I did test drive a 987.1 with PASM later (not shopping for myself but on behalf of a friend). The ride was a good bit smoother, but I couldn't get a feel for handling as we were slipping plenty on that icy day. Think of it as a comfort option mainly, I don't hear them break too much. In back-to-back drives, I did find that, on the 981, the PASM was not only more comfortable, but that the base suspension had a bit of side float on transitions that I liked less. The x73 is the most fun, no doubt, but a good bit harder even with 19's (which I also drove). It was good on a cayman, did not fit a boxster at all. I'd certainly not kick it out of bed. More like a Cayman R suspension. A good bit harder but the damping quality is apparent.

I think you should decide 987.2 vs. 981. I think you should restrict to 2009+ for the DFI/non-IMS engine. If the roof rack loss is not a big deal, the 981 is a pretty broad improvement over the 987 in my view. Feels faster, wider up front, great chassis, brakes and cabin. The slight hits in steering feel, taller tires and e-parking brake hardly figure.

Even the base somewhat low torque 981 boxster is awesome driven hard. I drove it back to back with a nicely kept up 993 and it wiped the floor with it in regards to performance driving. Then I looked up some numbers and saw it matched the 997 gt3 on 60-0 braking and side g's.
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