I started to wonder...

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Originally Posted by bren

Don't all the really good ones... :smile:

My GTP had 240hp, 280ft-lb from the factory. All it took was a pulley to help the SC boost power a little bit. Man, I loved mashing the pedal on that thing.

[lemming]

Originally Posted by blee

My GTP had 240hp, 280ft-lb from the factory. All it took was a pulley to help the SC boost power a little bit. Man, I loved mashing the pedal on that thing.

that cryptic, subtle statistic actually dates clyde pretty well. superficially, to me, it means bigger displacement OHV engines with plenty of torque but didn't breathe well to produce HP.

since many of the young ones haven't even ever owned cars with OHV or cam-in-block engines, they'd not generally know what it's like to live with more torque than HP.

that's why it's funny.

[Roadstergal]

325e = more torque than hp. :smile:

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Originally Posted by Roadstergal

325e = more torque than hp. :smile:

My 190E 2.6:

162lb-ft
158 hp.



Combined both cars

HP= 393
TQ= 384

Close enough.

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To be totally fair, it's really not all that cool to have tons of torque and relatively little hp. You feel the car sort of wheezing at higher speeds, so it's not great IMO for quick highway cruising.

OTOH, most driving for most people requires stopping at lights and going again from a stop. Torque is a LOT of fun in that range...just hope that you don't have enough room to hit 60 mph before the next light.

[lemming]

Originally Posted by jpgurl

If I was the only waffler freak... going through the following mayhem:

1999 BMW 328i (on a three year lease)
1999 Suburban (also on a three year lease)
2000 E430 (on a 4 year lease which we finally freaking sold last week)
buying a 2002 A4 (and selling it after 11 months)
buying a 2003 G35 Coupe (and trading that after 10 months)
buying a CPOed 2002 Volvo S60 (going on 4 months)
buying a used 2003 MCS (going on 6 months)

all the while visit Auto Trader on a weekly basis to consider the following cars: used Miata, used Toyota Land Cruiser, another used A4 (just like what we sold above), a new S40 wagon, an R32, Z3's, Z4's, TT's, used Ford pickups, etc... AND visiting dealers to drive a Toureg, Land Rover, Cayenne, various E46's, 4-runners, Passat, and a GTI.

My point is all of this is... we are all wafflers, we are all freaks. And I am damn proud of it.

If www.carmudgeons.com doesn't work out we can always be www.waffles-r-us.com.

1. i'd skip the S60 and a4 and keep what you have. yuck and double yuck. :-)

2. i'd skip the G35 and just get a subsizdized lease on a 350Z (the G35 is prettier, though).

3. i do not fully understand the MC phenomenon, but it seems like a better idea to get a used one if you're holding it for that brief a period of time.

4. i'd skip the z3 and go straight to the heavily discounted z4s. the z3 parts bin was bloody awful and handles much worse than the z4 and this isn't really even subject to debate.

5. i dunno about the r32 or the tt. both are the "old" golf platform. at this rate, wouldn't you rather wait to see how the mark V is since they're bringing it over in the GTI version first?

6. don't really understand the land rover or cayenne appeal but the toureg makes sense. especially in the badass v10 turbodiesel version.

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as far as the more torque than hp, i'd love to have a nascar v8, especially a hendrick motorsport one with a redline close to 9000.

:-)

that would take care of torque and breathing at high rpms. that's the whole appeal of a 360 to me, the high rpms and the 8 cylinders. someday.

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Originally Posted by lemming

don't really understand the land rover or cayenne appeal but the toureg makes sense. especially in the badass v10 turbodiesel version.

If we ever have towing needs, I'll get a used Touareg TDI V10.

lemming... check your PM.

[Masskrug]

Originally Posted by mbr129

If we ever have towing needs, I'll get a used Touareg TDI V10.

lemming... check your PM.

That engine commands a $15,000 premium over the standard 8 banger!

[lemming]

Originally Posted by Masskrug

That engine commands a $15,000 premium over the standard 8 banger!

MBR!

i just got home.

am sorry. i PMd your back. it was a disaster today.

f*ck.

okay. 15k premium. screw that.

[ARCHER]

Originally Posted by lemming

6. don't really understand the land rover...

Honest-to-goodness off-road capability and usable cargo space. My money is on LR over VW when off-roading gets seriously nasty. I am looking for some good steel wheels and some heavily sidewalled, lugged rubber for the Disco' as the stock alloys would look like hamburger meat after some of the mountain trails we're accustomed to. The tires would be toast within a few hundred yards.