08-27-2018, 01:16 PM | #531 | |
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Reliability has improved a lot, I think. My first Model S had a bunch of issues, though they were all sorted pretty quickly and eventually the car was solid. My second (which actually isn't that much newer than the first) has been pretty trouble-free, even now at 45,000 miles. Certainly the equal of any BMW I've had, though maybe that isn't saying much. I don't know what the Model 3 will be like. I'm a little concerned about the fever-pitch production schedules, but am hoping that those are getting ironed out now. But, yeah--it's still not a car for the DYIer. |
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08-27-2018, 02:39 PM | #532 |
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I don't think there's even a way to put it on jack stands, right? There's no center jacking point. And you need a special adapter even for the jack points I think?
If I can't change tires in my driveway it's a deal breaker. |
08-27-2018, 03:33 PM | #533 | |
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08-27-2018, 04:07 PM | #534 |
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Nice on the jacking up thing.
But no center jack point for jack stands - not as nice. |
08-27-2018, 06:20 PM | #535 | |
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08-27-2018, 07:15 PM | #536 |
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Maintenance for an EV should be next to nil.
Repairs, on the other hand... |
08-27-2018, 07:49 PM | #537 |
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I went in one more time to drive the performance AWD, to make sure I really want to do this. It was a longer test drive this time, and I drove the Cayman there so the comparison was back to back.
1. The Model 3 on 20" wheels is significantly more comfortable on bumpy roads than the Cayman R on 18's. The Tesla has half an inch less sidewall and it's still shockingly comfortable. I'm not sure how, but it is. From a ride quality point of view I'd take the 20's on the tesla. It's the $5k cost, questionable pothole durability, and inability to use other rims that bothers me. But I'd say 19's are a no brainer. 2. The steering in the model 3 is weird, and not in a good way. I won't say it's a total abortion like new BMW's, because it doesn't have a big floaty dead spot on center and then a bizarre non-linear resistance that fights you mid-corner. The Model 3 steering is tight and consistent in feel. But even in "standard" a) there's a lot of steering input required to turn, and b) it's very sensitive. I'm guessing I'd get used to it, but the steering isn't exactly a relaxing experience. I found myself having to work harder than I expected to drive smoothly and keep the car pointed where I wanted it. On "Comfort" it's pretty awful - the steering becomes soft yet jerky at the same time. 3. Regen braking is just fantastic in traffic. It's really strong, so if you look ahead just a little bit you end up not having to use the brakes until the very end. 4. Shit, yeah the car is fast. Getting back in the Cayman, the reaction was: 1. Normal steering again... YES! 2. Whoa that intersection didn't feel that bumpy in the Tesla. 3. Damn, this car is slow. Last edited by rumatt; 08-27-2018 at 08:03 PM. |
08-27-2018, 08:09 PM | #538 |
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The Cayman has some of the best steering feel available in a modern car, though. Even my old-ass 987.1 feels like road telepathy compared to any other car I’ve had at the same time—I remember thinking that getting into the E90 M3 felt like pulling on a pair of welding gloves.
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08-27-2018, 08:25 PM | #539 |
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So... I heard back from the “inside delivery advisor” today (ie the guy in Vegas).
Car is now supposed to arrive in OH on Wednesday. He’s checking to see how far that is from the local store/service center/delivery center before he schedules the delivery. I’m taking Friday afternoon off, so I offered up any time Friday afternoon if that works. He was also supposed to finalize paperwork today with no trade in. But nothing back yet. As for the Model S. I have a relatively early VIN (low 11k...). The thread for that car documents the problems I had, but nearly all problems were in the first 15 months. But it never stranded me and was always able to be driven. The first problem was the main charger failed on day 9. The Drive unit was replaced at about 12k miles, but it never actually failed, and a lot of early Model S had the DUs replaced. Other issues were alignment - it needed 3 alignments over the first 9 months. It also came with a chip in the interior rear view mirror, which was just cosmetic. Later problems included a sunroof alignment that wouldn’t always close (they replaced the rails...), and a brake line that was rubbing on a trim piece (there was a TSB on this, which modified the rear wheel well liners to allow more clearance, but one line was replaced on my car). I’ve also had to have the charge port door replaced - the magnet that holds it shut came detached. Somewhere along the way I had one door handle replaced. From 15 months to 4.5 years, it was mostly only in for scheduled service. Things like brake line flushes, coolant changes, etc. I did have the charge port replaced a couple times — but not because it would not charge the car, but once because the light ring went wonky (colors off), and another time because it wouldn’t reliably release the pin that locks the charge cable to the car (I could use the app to open charge port and quickly pull the cable out, otherwise it would immediately lock back up). In the last year, the TPMS system failed (and they put the newer system in which gives tire pressure for each tire...), and the glove box latch wouldn’t lock. Everything was covered under warranty, and while I paid for the extended warranty, I never was charged the $200 deductible for work performed under it,,,
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08-27-2018, 08:36 PM | #540 |
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Why did you need 3 alignments? Did they just keep doing it wrong? Or was something coming loose?
Also, I forgot to mention... the sales guy said today that they have a batch of 400 cars coming in any day now. They've never seen anywhere near that many in one batch before. The production is finally really ramping up. |
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