carmudgeons.com  

Go Back   carmudgeons.com > Automotive Forums > Car Talk > Perseverators Anonymous

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 03-19-2021, 03:51 PM   #351
equ
Alphanumeric
 
equ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Carmudgeonly Ride: 981S, 340i
Posts: 9,112
On this particular matter, 987's vs 981's, it's actually hard for me to get myself to click on a comparison video, as much as I like content of that sort.

From 2006 to 2013, I had 987's and from 2016 to 2021 I've had 981's. Each purchase was after many test drives. I owned a 987.1S from new for 5 years and 35k miles. I owned a 987.2S, test drove a number of 987.1 and 987.2's, with PASM, without, etc. Test drove multiple (six?) R's. Then I drove 981 base, S and GTS cars (the GTS at least twice) both in cayman and boxster form. They were new in lots in 2016 when I was shopping. Owned a 981S now coming up on 5 years and owned a GT4 for a few months.

A significant portion of my life seems to have been dedicated to getting the just right 987 and 981. Throughout this, there was an almost year ownership of 997.2 and many 991.1 drives.

Last edited by equ; 03-19-2021 at 04:05 PM.
equ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-19-2021, 05:59 PM   #352
JST
195
 
JST's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 22,280
Quote:
Originally Posted by JST View Post
Thanks, that's a cool vid. Too bad they didn't have the GTS 4.0.
So, as neat as this vid is (and it is, it's worth watching, it's well done as these things go) I desperately hate the video-ization of content online. I get that you can sell more and more expensive ads with video, it just drives me nuts to consume this kind of content that way.

I will, therefore, summarize for everyone: They both liked the 987 Cayman R best. The 718 turbo was second, mostly it sounded like because of some of the chassis changes compared to the 981. They liked the 981s engine and sound, but found that it was skewed a bit too much toward "GT" for their tastes. And, of course, the 718s engine is just enormously powerful.

I imagine the GTS 4.0 would easily beat out the 718 turbo, though I am a little curious as to whether it would still beat the Cayman R.

None of this helps me with my dilemma.
JST is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-19-2021, 07:19 PM   #353
wdc330i
dogged
 
wdc330i's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Carmudgeonly Ride: '17 M240i / ‘21 Mazda CX-5
Posts: 9,738
Wow. Thanks for saying this! I was already to read it, then saw it was a video and passed. It takes so much longer to consume a video. Itís a much less efficient use of my timeóunless I am really obsessed with a subject. If the latter, I want to mostly read the content and then just watch a couple of videos.

I guess Iím a words person...

I know my son is a video guy. So Iím probably a dinosaur.
wdc330i is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-19-2021, 08:55 PM   #354
equ
Alphanumeric
 
equ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Carmudgeonly Ride: 981S, 340i
Posts: 9,112
I loved, loved the Cayman R, back in 2012-13... But then Matt got one and he was like 'meh'...

I still think it's a better car for me than the gt4.
equ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-20-2021, 06:57 PM   #355
JST
195
 
JST's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 22,280
OK, I went and looked at the Meteor Grey one, because why not?

Mechanically it was in pretty nice shape, seemed relatively well preserved (and had recent N spec Michelin Pilots, which is a good shibboleth for someone being willing to spend money on maintenance).

Cosmetically, though, it was pretty beat up. Lots of scratches on the door and and frunklid, including a couple of very deep ones. Plus from the fading of some of the plastic trim it's clear that it had spent a lot of time outside and uncovered.

Easy pass, frankly.

But TIL that the 987 didn't come standard with automatic climate control. Who knew?

A couple of further 987.1 v. 987.2 impressions:
  • The 9A1 engine has more power than the M96 3.2, it's obvious. But this car displayed something I've noticed in other 987.2s, which is that the throttle just isn't as linear as it is on the M96. I don't know if this is due to an e-throttle implementation or what, but you can catch the 9A1 a little flat-footed in a way that you can't with the M96.
  • The 987.2 sport steering wheel is thicker (and feels larger diameter?), plus has a dumb flat bottom. It's not better.
  • The minor controls, on the other hand, are better, and don't have the gross soft-touch surface that gets sticky and falls off the 987.1s.
  • The exterior mirrors are bigger, which is nice, and something that I always forget about.
  • I don't know why they changed the window switches, but they did. Same with the top switch. The 987.1s are better but maybe I'm just used to them.
  • The 987.2 suffers from the same dumb top elastic problem that the .1 does. I saw a tip to fix this with Bed Bands and that actually works pretty well.

Still on the hunt for a good .2, but it's increasingly clear to me that the 10 year old cars that end up at Carmax are probably not the ones you want, even if they are low mileage.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	60B637D5-E794-46EE-97EB-3F5674C1BCD9.jpeg
Views:	22
Size:	330.2 KB
ID:	13268  Click image for larger version

Name:	1C1124FB-EC58-44BC-90A5-CD40B3F9BF93.jpeg
Views:	21
Size:	459.5 KB
ID:	13269  Click image for larger version

Name:	D9B2A63F-9484-4983-8B61-99AB905856C4.jpeg
Views:	22
Size:	490.7 KB
ID:	13270  Click image for larger version

Name:	577E2E94-896B-4861-BFA1-6A815A58E7E6.jpeg
Views:	21
Size:	301.9 KB
ID:	13271  

Last edited by JST; 03-20-2021 at 07:15 PM.
JST is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-20-2021, 10:40 PM   #356
robg
Carmudgeon
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 1,796
Quote:
Originally Posted by wdc330i View Post
Wow. Thanks for saying this! I was already to read it, then saw it was a video and passed. It takes so much longer to consume a video. Itís a much less efficient use of my timeóunless I am really obsessed with a subject. If the latter, I want to mostly read the content and then just watch a couple of videos.

I guess Iím a words person...

I know my son is a video guy. So Iím probably a dinosaur.
ha- yeah I agree. Personally prefer to just read reviews rather than videos. But atleast that "everyday driver" review of the cayman gens makes good use of the format. What drives me nuts are all the youtube car review videos that are basically just someone reciting a review that they could've just written.
robg is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 03-20-2021, 11:00 PM   #357
wdc330i
dogged
 
wdc330i's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Carmudgeonly Ride: '17 M240i / ‘21 Mazda CX-5
Posts: 9,738
Quote:
Originally Posted by JST View Post
OK, I went and looked at the Meteor Grey one, because why not?

Mechanically it was in pretty nice shape, seemed relatively well preserved (and had recent N spec Michelin Pilots, which is a good shibboleth for someone being willing to spend money on maintenance).

Cosmetically, though, it was pretty beat up. Lots of scratches on the door and and frunklid, including a couple of very deep ones. Plus from the fading of some of the plastic trim it's clear that it had spent a lot of time outside and uncovered.

Easy pass, frankly.

But TIL that the 987 didn't come standard with automatic climate control. Who knew?

A couple of further 987.1 v. 987.2 impressions:
  • The 9A1 engine has more power than the M96 3.2, it's obvious. But this car displayed something I've noticed in other 987.2s, which is that the throttle just isn't as linear as it is on the M96. I don't know if this is due to an e-throttle implementation or what, but you can catch the 9A1 a little flat-footed in a way that you can't with the M96.
  • The 987.2 sport steering wheel is thicker (and feels larger diameter?), plus has a dumb flat bottom. It's not better.
  • The minor controls, on the other hand, are better, and don't have the gross soft-touch surface that gets sticky and falls off the 987.1s.
  • The exterior mirrors are bigger, which is nice, and something that I always forget about.
  • I don't know why they changed the window switches, but they did. Same with the top switch. The 987.1s are better but maybe I'm just used to them.
  • The 987.2 suffers from the same dumb top elastic problem that the .1 does. I saw a tip to fix this with Bed Bands and that actually works pretty well.

Still on the hunt for a good .2, but it's increasingly clear to me that the 10 year old cars that end up at Carmax are probably not the ones you want, even if they are low mileage.
What is it youíre looking for? Do you really want another Boxster or is it time to scratch the 911 itch?

Quote:
Originally Posted by robg View Post
ha- yeah I agree. Personally prefer to just read reviews rather than videos. But atleast that "everyday driver" review of the cayman gens makes good use of the format. What drives me nuts are all the youtube car review videos that are basically just someone reciting a review that they could've just written.
I think written and video reviews can be complementary. But the biggest problem with videos is you canít easily skim over stuff you already know...thatís why the medium is often a time waster.
wdc330i is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2021, 04:03 PM   #358
Josh (PA)
Hello.
 
Josh (PA)'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Carmudgeonly Ride: '11 135i C, '17 c2, '19 S213
Location: Downingtown, PA
Posts: 4,237
so much for the 4.0 cars being the holy grail:
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...spyder-recall/
__________________
Josh (PA) -
`19 E450 Wagon
'17 991.2 C2 Cab
'11 135i Convertible
Josh (PA) is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2021, 05:23 PM   #359
FC
Solving problems
 
FC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Carmudgeonly Ride: '21 GTI, '18 M3 ZCP, '13 LR4, '11 Miata
Location: Metro Boston
Posts: 23,167
Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh (PA) View Post
so much for the 4.0 cars being the holy grail:
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...spyder-recall/
FC is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:44 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Forums © 2003-2008, 'Mudgeon Enterprises - Site hosting by AYN & Associates, LLC