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Old 04-06-2018, 10:42 AM   #1
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tires for M3

Any thoughts on Michelin Pilot Supersport vs. 4S? 4S wasn't available in the right size until very recently. I've certainly read great things about the 4S...
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Old 04-06-2018, 10:43 AM   #2
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Subscribed, as I have plenty of PSS but no 4S experience...
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Old 04-06-2018, 10:54 AM   #3
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Just based on the TR review I'd say it's a no-brainer.

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The Michelin Pilot Sport 4S performs all the tasks expected of a Max Performance Summer tire at a very high level. From its athletic and composed nature on the road, to its best-in-test dry track figures, to its easily accessible performance in the wet, the Pilot Sport 4S really is the complete package.
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Old 04-06-2018, 10:56 AM   #4
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I've heard great things about the 4S. Can't go wrong. But I loved the PSS in the 997TT.
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Old 04-06-2018, 11:02 AM   #5
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Just based on the TR review I'd say it's a no-brainer.
That sounds like the same review they gave the PSS a couple of years ago.
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Old 04-06-2018, 11:04 AM   #6
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That sounds like the same review they gave the PSS a couple of years ago.
I mean the PSS is pretty old now, in tire terms--the set on my Boxster is from 2012 (which, jesus, means I probably need new tires, even though they've only got about 7500 miles on them).

Tire tech moves pretty quickly, so I guess it's not shocking there's something bigger and better now.
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Old 04-06-2018, 11:25 AM   #7
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Cool - I'll get the 4S. The car actually has PS2s on it right now!
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For daily driving, PS2 is not a favorite of mine at all. It is terrible in the cold, no better in the hot/dry, reminds me of the current P-zero that feels a generation old. So very likely, either Michelin will be a great improvement.

I think the PS4 vs. PSS debate is an open one unless I get direct experience or hear from those I trust. Just that time goes by, newer "must" be better is not enough for my subjective. PS2 was a generation (5-6 years?) newer than the PS.

While the PS2 recorded high g numbers in good conditions, came standard on many good cars (including my 06 Cayman S), I haven't had enough of a back to back between it and the PS (the V-design), the Goodyear F1 or a Potenza of some sort that it was clearly better. In fact, in the real world of the Northeast, in my view it was worse to those three in many ways in sub-optimal conditions.

That is why I approach the PS4 with suspicion until first hand or reliable second hand experience. Especially as the PSS is so stellar.
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Yeah, the PS2s aren't good in the cold, though I will say it makes sliding the rear out very easy (wife not a fan).
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To add on to the PS2 hate, wasn't the Carrera Gt that killed Walker on them? Albeit 9-year old ones.

They suck when worn or when not up to temperature. Sure, I get it, so do all performance tires, but in my experience, the worst two for unpredictable street usage have been the p-zero and the ps2. I bought my first Cayman in Sept 06. In Nov 06, the first day pulling out of my garage, I was getting sideways. And no, I wasn't doing a Mustang Cars'n'Coffee, the tire was just a bit binary. At 2.5years/16k miles, with plenty of tread left, the rears hardened up and I started getting unpredictable sideways again. All that in a car with high-200's torque, nothing like the CGT.
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