Drove some Mazdas and Audis this weekend

JST · 02-17-2004, 09:50 AM

We tried a Mazda 6, a Mazda 3, an Audi A4 3.0Q and an A4 1.8Q.

Mazda 6:

This is a nice sedan. As with many of its competitors, the quality of interior materials is variable--in some places it feels expensive, in others quite cheap. On the road, the handling is tight, the steering feel good, and the engine smooth. Like all Duratec derivatives I've driven, the engine is happiest at higher RPM, and there isn't an overabundance of low-end torque. Shift feel is nice, and pedal placement is excellent. If I had to buy a car in this segment, this is probably the one that I'd get, but it doesn't really do anything for me.

Mazda 3:

This is the new class leader of this segment, without question. The engine isn't as strong as the Golf/Jetta 1.8T, and the interior isn't *quite* as nice, but in every other way it puts its competitors on the trailer. Steering feel is superb, and the handling is flat and composed. The car feels both flickable and competent. Power is decent, and there is a lot of room inside. It isn't quite as lively as the last Protege, but it feels a lot less like a rental car, so the tradeoff is acceptable.

If the S40 retains this steering and handling ability, while adding AWD and a 218 hp engine, it will be one hot car.

Audi A4 3.0:

I liked this car a lot more than I thought I would. On paper, the heavy weight and nose-heavy distribution imply a car with little grace, but around town the A4 is impressive. The V6 has nice punch--not as much as a 330, but perfectly acceptable. And it sounds cool, too. The car I drove had the "Ultra Sport" suspension. Handling was good at 6 or 7/10s, and the ride was taut but composed (less stiff-legged than the M3). Audi still does interiors better than anyone, with the exception of their stupid cupholder design and the bright silver trim that reflects bright sunlight into your eyes.

Shifting is good, but the pattern is wider than you expect. The steering is light, not tremendously communicative, but at least it is accurate.

A4 1.8Q:

"It's not as slow as I thought it would be" sounds like faint praise, but in truth, the character of the 1.8T engine is fairly well suited to this car. The engine builds boost quickly, which gives you decent torque off the line, but there is enough of a brief lag to give you a bit of a rush when the turbo kicks in. Driven at 80 percent of throttle, the car feels fine. It's only when you ask for more that you are disappointed, because there just isn't a whole lot of power up top.

It might be my imagination, but the seats in this SP car did not feel as nice as those in the USP 3.0. Otherwise, the interiors were about the same.

Bottom line on the Audis:

I'd get either one of these before I got the corresponding 3xi, but that's only because I don't want a third E46. In truth, the xis are probably better driver's cars, but for a sedan with a bit of sport thrown in and AWD, the Audis make a good case for themselves.

blee · 02-17-2004, 10:19 AM

Is the 5-door variant of the Mazda 3 available yet? I'm somewhat interested in it, as I was fairly impressed with the Protege5.

I have found, however, that residuals on the Mini must be excellent. Their online lease estimator gives some truly outstanding figures if one is conservative with the options. Tough call.

JST · 02-17-2004, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by blee

Is the 5-door variant of the Mazda 3 available yet? I'm somewhat interested in it, as I was fairly impressed with the Protege5.

I have found, however, that residuals on the Mini must be excellent. Their online lease estimator gives some truly outstanding figures if one is conservative with the options. Tough call.

Yes, the 5 door is what we drove. As with the Protege, the 5 door only comes as a sport model, with the bigger 2.3 liter engine, big wheels, etc.

I assume that the residuals on Minis are quite good; if you've got the time to wait for one to be ordered, and are OK with the very small size, it's a good choice.

blee · 02-17-2004, 10:34 AM

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Is the 5-door variant of the Mazda 3 available yet? I'm somewhat interested in it, as I was fairly impressed with the Protege5.

I have found, however, that residuals on the Mini must be excellent. Their online lease estimator gives some truly outstanding figures if one is conservative with the options. Tough call.

Yes, the 5 door is what we drove. As with the Protege, the 5 door only comes as a sport model, with the bigger 2.3 liter engine, big wheels, etc.

I assume that the residuals on Minis are quite good; if you've got the time to wait for one to be ordered, and are OK with the very small size, it's a good choice.

After seeing the base price on the 3, I was really psyched for the 3 5door. The base MSRP is in line with the competition, but it's higher than I had expected. I didn't realize, though, that it "includes" the better engine and all that stuff. It's something I plan to investigate at some point.

dan · 02-17-2004, 11:32 AM

looks like MINI won the Automotive Lease Guide award for best residual in the Compact Car segment for the 2nd year in a row

http://www.alg.com/news/arc_2004rvas...marketing.html

JST · 02-17-2004, 11:57 AM

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Is the 5-door variant of the Mazda 3 available yet? I'm somewhat interested in it, as I was fairly impressed with the Protege5.

I have found, however, that residuals on the Mini must be excellent. Their online lease estimator gives some truly outstanding figures if one is conservative with the options. Tough call.

Yes, the 5 door is what we drove. As with the Protege, the 5 door only comes as a sport model, with the bigger 2.3 liter engine, big wheels, etc.

I assume that the residuals on Minis are quite good; if you've got the time to wait for one to be ordered, and are OK with the very small size, it's a good choice.

After seeing the base price on the 3, I was really psyched for the 3 5door. The base MSRP is in line with the competition, but it's higher than I had expected. I didn't realize, though, that it "includes" the better engine and all that stuff. It's something I plan to investigate at some point.

The prices are very reasonable, but not unbelievable. A "nicely equipped" 5 door is 19.1K--that's with the sunroof/CD changer and ABS/airbag options. Going for leather and Xenon lights takes you just over $20K.

blee · 02-17-2004, 12:03 PM

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Is the 5-door variant of the Mazda 3 available yet? I'm somewhat interested in it, as I was fairly impressed with the Protege5.

I have found, however, that residuals on the Mini must be excellent. Their online lease estimator gives some truly outstanding figures if one is conservative with the options. Tough call.

Yes, the 5 door is what we drove. As with the Protege, the 5 door only comes as a sport model, with the bigger 2.3 liter engine, big wheels, etc.

I assume that the residuals on Minis are quite good; if you've got the time to wait for one to be ordered, and are OK with the very small size, it's a good choice.

After seeing the base price on the 3, I was really psyched for the 3 5door. The base MSRP is in line with the competition, but it's higher than I had expected. I didn't realize, though, that it "includes" the better engine and all that stuff. It's something I plan to investigate at some point.

The prices are very reasonable, but not unbelievable. A "nicely equipped" 5 door is 19.1K--that's with the sunroof/CD changer and ABS/airbag options. Going for leather and Xenon lights takes you just over $20K.

Mazda's website is unreasonably stupid when it comes to its financial estimators. Granted, those things are not always accurate...but it won't even let me simulate a lease because "there are no lease specials for your area."

I was surprised to see ABS as an option. Everything else looks really good on paper.

Rob · 02-17-2004, 12:50 PM

When I bought Tabasco, I looked in to used MINIs. There aren't many of them and even private sellers seem to think they can get more than sticker - for a used car. So far, the residual value is holding up very well.

On the other hand, I have seen people complain that they couldn't sell their car on the boards when they asked for an unreasonable price.

*clyde* · 02-17-2004, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by blee

Mazda's website is unreasonably stupid when it comes to its financial estimators.

Mazda's site is very good in some respects and absolutely awful in others. I guess it worked in my case though.

lemming · 02-17-2004, 05:30 PM

i told ya so. i told ya so.

(i don't mind cheapish interiors for commutah cahs).

thanks for your feedback, JeSTer.

02-17-2004, 09:50 AM	#1
JST 195 Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 24,614	Drove some Mazdas and Audis this weekend We tried a Mazda 6, a Mazda 3, an Audi A4 3.0Q and an A4 1.8Q. Mazda 6: This is a nice sedan. As with many of its competitors, the quality of interior materials is variable--in some places it feels expensive, in others quite cheap. On the road, the handling is tight, the steering feel good, and the engine smooth. Like all Duratec derivatives I've driven, the engine is happiest at higher RPM, and there isn't an overabundance of low-end torque. Shift feel is nice, and pedal placement is excellent. If I had to buy a car in this segment, this is probably the one that I'd get, but it doesn't really do anything for me. Mazda 3: This is the new class leader of this segment, without question. The engine isn't as strong as the Golf/Jetta 1.8T, and the interior isn't quite as nice, but in every other way it puts its competitors on the trailer. Steering feel is superb, and the handling is flat and composed. The car feels both flickable and competent. Power is decent, and there is a lot of room inside. It isn't quite as lively as the last Protege, but it feels a lot less like a rental car, so the tradeoff is acceptable. If the S40 retains this steering and handling ability, while adding AWD and a 218 hp engine, it will be one hot car. Audi A4 3.0: I liked this car a lot more than I thought I would. On paper, the heavy weight and nose-heavy distribution imply a car with little grace, but around town the A4 is impressive. The V6 has nice punch--not as much as a 330, but perfectly acceptable. And it sounds cool, too. The car I drove had the "Ultra Sport" suspension. Handling was good at 6 or 7/10s, and the ride was taut but composed (less stiff-legged than the M3). Audi still does interiors better than anyone, with the exception of their stupid cupholder design and the bright silver trim that reflects bright sunlight into your eyes. Shifting is good, but the pattern is wider than you expect. The steering is light, not tremendously communicative, but at least it is accurate. A4 1.8Q: "It's not as slow as I thought it would be" sounds like faint praise, but in truth, the character of the 1.8T engine is fairly well suited to this car. The engine builds boost quickly, which gives you decent torque off the line, but there is enough of a brief lag to give you a bit of a rush when the turbo kicks in. Driven at 80 percent of throttle, the car feels fine. It's only when you ask for more that you are disappointed, because there just isn't a whole lot of power up top. It might be my imagination, but the seats in this SP car did not feel as nice as those in the USP 3.0. Otherwise, the interiors were about the same. Bottom line on the Audis: I'd get either one of these before I got the corresponding 3xi, but that's only because I don't want a third E46. In truth, the xis are probably better driver's cars, but for a sedan with a bit of sport thrown in and AWD, the Audis make a good case for themselves.

02-17-2004, 11:32 AM	#5
dan redefined Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 14,896	looks like MINI won the Automotive Lease Guide award for best residual in the Compact Car segment for the 2nd year in a row http://www.alg.com/news/arc_2004rvas...marketing.html __________________ "There's a freedom you begin to feel the closer you get to Austin, Texas." -Willie

02-17-2004, 05:30 PM	#10
lemming Western Anomaly Join Date: Oct 2003 Carmudgeonly Ride: White Orca Posts: 16,614	i told ya so. i told ya so. (i don't mind cheapish interiors for commutah cahs). thanks for your feedback, JeSTer. __________________

02-17-2004, 10:19 AM	#2
blee Doctor Mudgeon Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 6,433	Is the 5-door variant of the Mazda 3 available yet? I'm somewhat interested in it, as I was fairly impressed with the Protege5. I have found, however, that residuals on the Mini must be excellent. Their online lease estimator gives some truly outstanding figures if one is conservative with the options. Tough call.

02-17-2004, 12:50 PM	#8
Rob The user formerly known as rwg Join Date: Oct 2003 Carmudgeonly Ride: Z4 Location: Vegas baby! Posts: 8,261	When I bought Tabasco, I looked in to used MINIs. There aren't many of them and even private sellers seem to think they can get more than sticker - for a used car. So far, the residual value is holding up very well. On the other hand, I have seen people complain that they couldn't sell their car on the boards when they asked for an unreasonable price.