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Old 07-19-2019, 01:31 PM   #21
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I know you strongly disagree Nick, but I am more satisfied with my n55/6sp combo than I have been with any other engine transmission combo I have ever driven. I enjoy it more than my e36m3s, my e39 m5, my z3, my friends 987.2, my old e46s, etc.

I have spent time in dct and auto e82s and not liked them nearly as much (not liked them at all) . I can live with an auto on any sedan/suv type car, but I'd rather have a manual that degrades the performance on a fun car over any other option
As I’ve said previously, a lot of my hatred of the N55/6spd comes from how and where I drive it. Out in the suburbs, I don’t notice it really at all (aside from the awful top end fall off). But driving in the city, it’s geared all wrong and falls in and out of boost constantly. A bigger turbo would fix that. I don’t really want a ton of torque at 1500rpms.

These driving conditions were what killed SMGII for me as well.
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Old 07-19-2019, 01:31 PM   #22
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Ooohhhh there's a real convertible too?!?!
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a2...tible-preview/
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Old 07-19-2019, 01:32 PM   #23
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I've read that the M3 is better suited to the DCT, but frankly, the MT works great. Car has very little lag and is very responsive.
That’s a bullshit statement from DCT advocates. Everything is objectively more suited to DCT or similar. Find me one car that wouldn’t be “better” that way. That’s not the point.

(To be very clear in case that didn’t come out that way, that is not directed at you FC.)
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Old 07-19-2019, 03:02 PM   #24
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Haven't paid much attention to this... I guess Vette's are not for me front or mid-engined. At least the others had a distinct look (though they occasionally copied ferraris c6 -> 360) but front looks derivative (c8 -> 458?) and back looks disjointed...

The numbers and hot looks mean it'll do well, $60k for a high power v8 amidships... Remains to be seen how that bespoke tranny does over time. The size pretty much kills it for me, 5" wider and 10" longer than what I already find a large enough footprint on the 981.
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Old 07-19-2019, 04:18 PM   #25
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The C6 was always kind of bland to me. The headlights ruined the car and the rest kind of looked like the C5. It just always looked cheap. The high-po versions were better but in a "tacked-on" kind of way, like a '90s pontiac.

The C7 was pretty overwrought. It looks better in dark colors, and in person, than it does in pictures. So many seams and vents and doo-dads and stuff. The interior is actually pretty nice in those cars. I could live with it. The big thing I don't like about it, just driving around, is the doors are huuuuuuuge and it's a pain to park. I sound old typing that, but ... I couldn't live with a C7 like I do my Boxster.

I'm interested to see if the C8 is better or if it's more of the same. I like the low hoodline that the mid-engine enables. The trunk space means I can use it on trips with my wife like we use the Boxster.

My main worry is the interior. It looks a bit nutty, and the steering wheel is silly.

No way in hell I'm buying a first-year car, and I'm sure two years from now there will be a grand sport or Z06 version that will be even better looking... but I could definitely see myself picking up one of these used, if they turn out to be reasonably well put together (I also worry about that bespoke transmission...)
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Old 07-22-2019, 12:52 PM   #26
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Another good way to put it. I'm not sure I even understand the point of matching a manual to a turbo engine.
but this is NA but not high-revving. I think high-revving NA engine is the best paired with a manual.

I think the root issue are cars to too fast and powerful to deal with a manual nowadays.


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This new vette looks good in the OP but other pics I have seen it looks pretty odd looking, vette design pieces added on to a mid-engine sports cars.

definitely seems like a bang for a buck car, even more so then a normal vette.
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Old 07-22-2019, 12:56 PM   #27
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definitely seems like a bang for a buck car, even more so then a normal vette.
That's kinda it...a year from now, it will be the "normal vette"
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Old 07-22-2019, 12:57 PM   #28
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I mean if I got one I would definitely get Fiero badges for it.
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Old 07-22-2019, 01:03 PM   #29
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but this is NA but not high-revving. I think high-revving NA engine is the best paired with a manual.

I think the root issue are cars to too fast and powerful to deal with a manual nowadays.


>>>>>>>>>

This new vette looks good in the OP but other pics I have seen it looks pretty odd looking, vette design pieces added on to a mid-engine sports cars.

definitely seems like a bang for a buck car, even more so then a normal vette.
high revving NA engines are the most fun paired with a manual, but they also pay the largest performance price for the loss of gears and slower shifting.

A big grunty engine like this sees less of a penalty.
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high revving NA engines are the most fun paired with a manual, but they also pay the largest performance price for the loss of gears and slower shifting.

A big grunty engine like this sees less of a penalty.
you can say the same for most turbo engines no? basically can leave it gear for a lot of driving and not shift
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