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Biggins · 04-09-2012, 03:08 PM

I'm almost positive the mileage for the BRZ/FRS is 21 city and 30 highway, but they require the premium fuel. So, subjectively okay depending on how you view that.

The numbers that Jeff posted were very similar to, though slightly less than what the Subaru dealer quoted me. With MD taxes, it pushed the price to barely under $29k. I know the Scion can be had for less than $27k including taxes/all out the door.

Is what you posted about the next M3 true? 3100 lbs?!?!? I know I cannot afford one, but I like that number.

JST · 04-09-2012, 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stuka

Backup a second, 3100 pound and 480HP for the new M3?

For realz? And with real brakes too? That would be awesome.

Instead of awesomely disappointing that is the E90 M3, which will be gone in hopefully less than 2 weeks.

I call shenanigans on those numbers. 480 hp? Maybe. But 3100 lbs? The 328i, with an aluminum block turbo four, already weighs 3406. The 335 is 170 lbs heavier.

I imagine that the M3 will use even more aluminum than the base car already does, but are they really going to be able to get a 300lb net loss over the base car even after adding 2 cylinders, an extra turbo, bigger brakes, beefier driveline components, and so on? I doubt it. Not unless they strap a dirigible to the roof.

I would be happy with 3400 lbs (i.e., no net weight gain over the base car), which I think is far more realistic.

Pinecone · 04-09-2012, 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stuka

Backup a second, 3100 pound and 480HP for the new M3?

For realz? And with real brakes too? That would be awesome.

Instead of awesomely disappointing that is the E90 M3, which will be gone in hopefully less than 2 weeks.

http://forums.carmudgeons.com/showthread.php?t=50234

Quote:

BMW M3 (F80)
Weight Unloaded weight European Union in kg of 1,415 kg
Rated output in KW (HP) with 1/min 331 (450) 6.000-7.200
Rated output in KW (HP) with 1/min 353 (480) 5.750-7.300 in performance package the max. torque (Nm) with 1/min 510/1.350 6.200

JST · 04-09-2012, 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pinecone

http://forums.carmudgeons.com/showthread.php?t=50234

The quoted weight on the .de site of the 328i is 1505 kg, so that's a little more realistic, but I still don't believe it.

Pinecone · 04-09-2012, 04:20 PM

The M3 LTW is something like 400 poounds lighter than the stock M3.

John V · 04-09-2012, 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JST

Both cars roll on Toyota Prius tires, weirdly enough. The article suggested that this was intentional, because low grip tires with progressive breakaway are more fun than super sticky summer rubber. Might just be spin to explain cost-cutting, though.

The article is wrong. It does not have Prius tires. This rumor has been refuted by the people who have gone to dealerships to look at the cars.

JST · 04-09-2012, 06:21 PM

Interesting. So what does it have?

JST · 04-09-2012, 06:26 PM

According to this, they are the same tires as a JDM performance package (?!) on the Prius. http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4183

C/D actually notes this distinction in the article, FWIW.

There may be more to this story but I have now reached the limit of things I can read about Priuses this month.

John V · 04-09-2012, 06:34 PM

Michelin Primacy HP. Tire rack lists it as a "Summer touring tire."

The confusion comes from the fact that the Primacy HP is available in the Japan market as the Prius Performance Package. Not offered on any US Prius.

It's sold on more than one BMW and Mercedes US model as OE fitment.

Not saying it's necessarily a great tire, but saying it's a Prius tire is misleading and incorrect.

JST · 04-09-2012, 10:07 PM

No it's not. It may be a little misleading not to include the disclaimer that it's an optional Prius tire not available in the US, but it's not incorrect--it's a tire available on the Prius, and according to the Toyota engineer that C/D interviewed, it was chosen in part because it doesn't have a huge amount of grip.

04-09-2012, 04:20 PM	#15
Pinecone Carmudgeon Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Maryland Posts: 2,717	The M3 LTW is something like 400 poounds lighter than the stock M3. __________________ Terry Carraway 2002 Topaz E46 M3 2000 Dakar M Roadster 1995 Alpine E36 M3 LTW 1990 Red/White Spec Racer

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04-09-2012, 03:08 PM	#11
Biggins Crotchety Join Date: Aug 2007 Carmudgeonly Ride: 22 Tiguan, 11 328i Posts: 912	I'm almost positive the mileage for the BRZ/FRS is 21 city and 30 highway, but they require the premium fuel. So, subjectively okay depending on how you view that. The numbers that Jeff posted were very similar to, though slightly less than what the Subaru dealer quoted me. With MD taxes, it pushed the price to barely under $29k. I know the Scion can be had for less than $27k including taxes/all out the door. Is what you posted about the next M3 true? 3100 lbs?!?!? I know I cannot afford one, but I like that number.

04-09-2012, 06:21 PM	#17
JST 195 Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 24,609	Interesting. So what does it have?

04-09-2012, 06:26 PM	#18
JST 195 Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 24,609	According to this, they are the same tires as a JDM performance package (?!) on the Prius. http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4183 C/D actually notes this distinction in the article, FWIW. There may be more to this story but I have now reached the limit of things I can read about Priuses this month.

04-09-2012, 06:34 PM	#19
John V No more BMWs Join Date: Apr 2005 Carmudgeonly Ride: Ram, MS3, CX-5, RX-8 Location: Glenwood, MD Posts: 14,753	Michelin Primacy HP. Tire rack lists it as a "Summer touring tire." The confusion comes from the fact that the Primacy HP is available in the Japan market as the Prius Performance Package. Not offered on any US Prius. It's sold on more than one BMW and Mercedes US model as OE fitment. Not saying it's necessarily a great tire, but saying it's a Prius tire is misleading and incorrect.

04-09-2012, 10:07 PM	#20
JST 195 Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 24,609	No it's not. It may be a little misleading not to include the disclaimer that it's an optional Prius tire not available in the US, but it's not incorrect--it's a tire available on the Prius, and according to the Toyota engineer that C/D interviewed, it was chosen in part because it doesn't have a huge amount of grip.