Dial 911

[lemming]

Originally Posted by Jeff_DML

you can say the same thing for a lot of older 911 versus newer ones

Edit: I would agree the 911R is not worth the money(if there still a big premium?) over the later GT3 6MT/touring since very similar cars

I just don’t buy the whole provenance of the older 911s anymore since I’ve owned two aircoolers and numerous water coolers now.

For anyone in love with an older 911, I challenge you to drive the long hood G bodies, then a 964 and then a 993.

The cars get heavier and heavier and unless we are talking about the 993TT, I’m not sure it’s a dreamy driving experience. My 993 ownership was profoundly frustrating because the cars are quite slow and like JV always says, the damping is fucking weird.

[Nick M3]

Originally Posted by lemming

I just don’t buy the whole provenance of the older 911s anymore since I’ve owned two aircoolers and numerous water coolers now.

For anyone in love with an older 911, I challenge you to drive the long hood G bodies, then a 964 and then a 993.

The cars get heavier and heavier and unless we are talking about the 993TT, I’m not sure it’s a dreamy driving experience. My 993 ownership was profoundly frustrating because the cars are quite slow and like JV always says, the damping is fucking weird.

Shitcanning the Monroes really helps. The US market suspension was weird.

I think that people's definitions of slow have moved to weird places, though.

[lemming]

Originally Posted by Nick M3

Shitcanning the Monroes really helps. The US market suspension was weird.

I think that people's definitions of slow have moved to weird places, though.

Dude. Come on.

The 993 is not a fast car, nor does it handle well out of the box.

And I’ve not driven a Singer 911 but the appeal is also kind of lost on me nowadays more and more.

And maybe to Nick’s point, I appreciate the bone stock power of a 987 S more and more. It’s so well done, it’s really difficult to get markedly better than what that car is.

[SCA]

Fixed *2021* Turbo S for $300k

[dan]

"New to market"

That's a new one

[nate]

Any idea how far above (if at all) MSRP that is? Looks like the Turbo S starts at $207k, but you can add lots of absurdly expensive options

[Jeff_DML]

Originally Posted by lemming

Dude. Come on.

The 993 is not a fast car, nor does it handle well out of the box.

And I’ve not driven a Singer 911 but the appeal is also kind of lost on me nowadays more and more.

And maybe to Nick’s point, I appreciate the bone stock power of a 987 S more and more. It’s so well done, it’s really difficult to get markedly better than what that car is.

I am on the opposite end of the spectrum nowadays, slow car fast. I was just building a GR86

https://www.toyota.com/configurator/...2/series/gr86/

[SCA]

Originally Posted by Jeff_DML

I am on the opposite end of the spectrum nowadays, slow car fast.

This… as they say, “It is better to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow.”

[Theo]

Exactly why I cannot understand the appeal of these monster hp cars that have come out. Sure they are cool on paper but if you dont track them where do you use them?

Is the 718 GTS really that fun when you can’t wind it out past second gear without getting artrested?

[Nick M3]

Originally Posted by lemming

Dude. Come on.

The 993 is not a fast car, nor does it handle well out of the box.

And I’ve not driven a Singer 911 but the appeal is also kind of lost on me nowadays more and more.

And maybe to Nick’s point, I appreciate the bone stock power of a 987 S more and more. It’s so well done, it’s really difficult to get markedly better than what that car is.

The US market 993 comes with, literally, Monroe shocks. Which is a fucking joke. And they jacked the ride height to the sky to comply with some US regulator requirement (I think it was headlight height).

So yeah, you're not getting any argument from me that a US market 993 drives weirdly. It does. Decent shocks and RoW springs make a huge difference. A tie rod upgrade also makes a huge difference.

And I'm just saying that describing a near 300hp car that weighs around 3,000lbs. as slow really highlights how much the bar has moved.