Dial 911

[wdc330i]

I love that!

Edit: The yellow clippers are fun, too.

[JST]

Yeah I really wish they offered something like that on the new ones for less than PTS prices

[lemming]

Originally Posted by Josh (PA)

after spending a day on Rennbow, I'm thinking Oak Green. It will all depend on what options are available, but this would be my perfect outcome:

It’s a unique look.

It sounds like something fun to spice the car up. I didn’t realize you didn’t like the color. I like your car the way it is.

[robg]

Noticed that this dealer has 2 very different 911s but both around the 70k mark:
1. 996 Turbo coupe (manual), with 96k miles . silver over black. not CPO.
2. 991.1 base convertible with 40k miles (also manual). Almost no options other than Bose and 20" wheels (not even seat heaters!). Blue over gray. CPO.

Not saying that I'm choosing either one, but as a thought experiment which would you choose? To me the CPO 991.1 is the better buy of the 2.

[SCA]

Originally Posted by robg

Noticed that this dealer has 2 very different 911s but both around the 70k mark:
1. 996 Turbo coupe (manual), with 96k miles . silver over black. not CPO.
2. 991.1 base convertible with 40k miles (also manual). Almost no options other than Bose and 20" wheels (not even seat heaters!). Blue over gray. CPO.

Not saying that I'm choosing either one, but as a thought experiment which would you choose? To me the CPO 991.1 is the better buy of the 2.

Sad to say, neither. Reason being, the 996 does absolutely nothing for me even with it being a manual Turbo coupe. The 991.1 being a manual is a plus, but with it being a Cab equals a huge negative as I am not really a convertible guy. That reminds me, I need to detail the interior of the Z3 after dinner.

Edit: Make that 991.1 cabriolet a coupe and that would most definitely be my pick.

[robg]

Originally Posted by SCA

Sad to say, neither. Reason being, the 996 does absolutely nothing for me even with it being a manual Turbo coupe. The 991.1 being a manual is a plus, but with it being a Cab equals a huge negative as I am not really a convertible guy. That reminds me, I need to detail the interior of the Z3 after dinner.

Yeah.. I hadn't really thought of myself as a "convertible guy" either but I think Josh's posts here about his 991 convertible have started to sway me. Plus the premium for coupe over convertible 911s in the used market seems unjustified. And the 991 w/ the top up looks so much better than previous 911 convertibles. Plus if one of the goals of owning a sports car is to excite all your senses a convertible does a better job of that. But yeah- that is why I thought it was interesting dilemma "if you had to choose" .

[lemming]

Originally Posted by robg

Noticed that this dealer has 2 very different 911s but both around the 70k mark:
1. 996 Turbo coupe (manual), with 96k miles . silver over black. not CPO.
2. 991.1 base convertible with 40k miles (also manual). Almost no options other than Bose and 20" wheels (not even seat heaters!). Blue over gray. CPO.

Not saying that I'm choosing either one, but as a thought experiment which would you choose? To me the CPO 991.1 is the better buy of the 2.

The best advice someone ever gave me re: Porsche 911 was to get the newest car possible. Unless you have a great mechanic and can stand to have your car in the garage for months at a time.

That advices leads me to suggest the 991.1 in this scenario. It took me a long time to warm up to the 991 platform but I’m all in now. They learned so much from the 996 and the 997 (which was really the 996 chassis for most intents and purposes) —it allowed them to do some really key things with the 991. Much more aluminum so while the footprint is larger, less than 100 pounds of weight gained. And they have moved the engine forward and the track has gotten wider.

The 991.1 will be a high water mark also because I think Porsche finally figured out the water cooled naturally aspirated engine thing —the 9A1 is solid.

I think the 996 anything at this point in time, but especially true for any 996TT, is pretty off putting from sheer maintenance and the amount of things you need to replace and fix. There’s the oil sender, the water pump, the steering axis/PCM sensors, the cooling lines, likely the seats if heated are garbage, motor mounts, suspension…..it will just go on and on and on.

I loved my 996TT. But to be honest, Porsche has come a long way since then. The M64 3.6L twin turbo is a vastly inefficient motor and while robust, it will never have the modern attributes of the 9A1 or 9A2 engines.

The 996 will likely be like the 964s — memorable but unloved historically. I thin the 991s might more closely mirror the 993s in that they represent the end of an era and they’ll probably keep their values.

The 992 is probably technically amazing, but I’m just not a believer yet. Until then, the 991s really represents a technical apogee that isn’t really elevated by the 992.

[Josh (PA)]

Originally Posted by robg

Yeah.. I hadn't really thought of myself as a "convertible guy" either but I think Josh's posts here about his 991 convertible have started to sway me. Plus the premium for coupe over convertible 911s in the used market seems unjustified. And the 991 w/ the top up looks so much better than previous 911 convertibles. Plus if one of the goals of owning a sports car is to excite all your senses a convertible does a better job of that. But yeah- that is why I thought it was interesting dilemma "if you had to choose" .

you already know my vote. I'm sure I've mentioned it before, but the 991 is actually a folding 3 pc hardtop. there are magnesium panels under the cloth. It is an amazing work of engineering. There is almost no downside to the vert with the top up. The built in wind deflector is very well integrated and gives you a touch of targa when deployed.



this is for the 992, but the design is basically the same:
https://www.thehogring.com/2019/05/3...nvertible-top/

[JST]

I don’t disagree with much of what you wrote, lemming, but to me the high water mark is the 997.2 with the 9A1 motor. Smaller footprint, closer to the classic silhouette, but with the modern motor. Couple that with unobtanium production numbers and that’s why 997 GTS prices are to the moon.

[lemming]

Originally Posted by JST

I don’t disagree with much of what you wrote, lemming, but to me the high water mark is the 997.2 with the 9A1 motor. Smaller footprint, closer to the classic silhouette, but with the modern motor. Couple that with unobtanium production numbers and that’s why 997 GTS prices are to the moon.

I would agree to the 997.2 —the DI engines.

Yes.

I think the pre-DI engines always sound better, but the advent of the DI engines really changed the game, IMO.