The "What the f*** were they thinking?" BaT thread - Page 4

dan · 02-09-2021, 10:37 AM

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I get it.

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I just don't get it

FC · 02-09-2021, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by dan

Sure, take them out of context!

JST · 02-09-2021, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by FC

Sure, take them out of context!

You are lucky, the seller has another one up for auction--and the price seems basically to have started where the other one left off:

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1997-ford-f-250-37/

nate · 02-09-2021, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by JST

You are lucky, the seller has another one up for auction--and the price seems basically to have started where the other one left off:

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1997-ford-f-250-37/

Oh, I like the red short cab one better.

nate · 02-09-2021, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by John V

If this were an Expedition with the 7.3, I'd expect the sale price to be even higher.

Did you mean Excursion? I don't think the Expedition ever had that engine.

Kind of surprising that there hasn't been a revival of the Excursion. It was such a massive vehicle back then and cars have only gotten bigger. Maybe you'd need a CDL to drive a modern example.

JST · 02-09-2021, 11:44 AM

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Did you mean Excursion? I don't think the Expedition ever had that engine.

Kind of surprising that there hasn't been a revival of the Excursion. It was such a massive vehicle back then and cars have only gotten bigger. Maybe you'd need a CDL to drive a modern example.

Yeah, the Excursion diesel has quite a cult following in the horse trailer/car track day community. They were custom made for that market, though because that market isn't very big they didn't sell many.

The current Expedition Max is the replacement, but unlike the Excursion it's not built on the Super Duty frame and you can't get the diesel in it (weirdly, not even the smaller diesel they're putting in the F150).

Looks like Excursions topped out at 11,000 pounds towing capacity and Expedition Maxes are rated at 9300, but the experience (and fuel economy) with that gas turbo six is going to be very different from the big diesel. FWIW, the F350 can now tow up to 21,000 lbs without a 5th wheel.

I guess Ford's thought is that the F350 crew cab is so big now that who needs the extra cargo space? And if you do, just get a cap?

lip277 · 02-09-2021, 11:49 AM

Yes Excursion.

I have a 2003 F-250 with the 6.0 PSD engine. While I do use the bed some - I have a canopy on it so, it is not so much a truck but a 'van'. And that's ok - I have a utility trailer for getting rock or dirt or 'stuff' for when I need to haul that kind of material. I also have two friends who each have dump trailers (large ones -

) that I borrow on occasion.

Back when I was needing to get something to tow my 28' car trailer - if I would have found a decent comparable Excursion - I would have gotten that. But - even back in the 2006/2007 time frame, the PSD powered Excursions were VERY pricey. Granted, they were still 'newish' back then - but Ford had already stopped making them and the guys that had them knew that they had value. I saw some with asking prices 50% above the PSD truck equivalent. So - being more or less practical, got the F250.

The prices of the Excursions have held or increased since then. Especially the creampuff ones.

FYI - The one thing I do wish is that I had gotten the crew cab (not the super cab like I did). It would be good to have real second row seats, but I favored the bit shorter wheelbase instead back then thinking that was the better choice. If I had to do it today - I would go with the short bed, crew cab.

wdc330i · 02-09-2021, 12:04 PM

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Oh, I like the red short cab one better.

MUCH better. Although it needs a new interior...

FC · 02-09-2021, 12:06 PM

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MUCH better. Although it needs a new interior...

Yes.

Nick M3 · 02-09-2021, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by JST

Yeah, the Excursion diesel has quite a cult following in the horse trailer/car track day community. They were custom made for that market, though because that market isn't very big they didn't sell many.

The current Expedition Max is the replacement, but unlike the Excursion it's not built on the Super Duty frame and you can't get the diesel in it (weirdly, not even the smaller diesel they're putting in the F150).

Looks like Excursions topped out at 11,000 pounds towing capacity and Expedition Maxes are rated at 9300, but the experience (and fuel economy) with that gas turbo six is going to be very different from the big diesel. FWIW, the F350 can now tow up to 21,000 lbs without a 5th wheel.

I guess Ford's thought is that the F350 crew cab is so big now that who needs the extra cargo space? And if you do, just get a cap?

I mean, it has more torque and better fuel economy that the 7.3l Excursion. Less torque than the 6.blow, though.

More horsepower than either one, and a lot more gears. I'm sure it will tow fine enough. Until the ecoboost blows up.

Can someone explain why Ford has so much difficulty making vehicles that work?

02-09-2021, 11:49 AM	#37
lip277 The old cranky SOB.... Join Date: Oct 2003 Carmudgeonly Ride: several cars... way too many.... Location: Near Seattle Posts: 4,798	Yes Excursion. I have a 2003 F-250 with the 6.0 PSD engine. While I do use the bed some - I have a canopy on it so, it is not so much a truck but a 'van'. And that's ok - I have a utility trailer for getting rock or dirt or 'stuff' for when I need to haul that kind of material. I also have two friends who each have dump trailers (large ones - ) that I borrow on occasion. Back when I was needing to get something to tow my 28' car trailer - if I would have found a decent comparable Excursion - I would have gotten that. But - even back in the 2006/2007 time frame, the PSD powered Excursions were VERY pricey. Granted, they were still 'newish' back then - but Ford had already stopped making them and the guys that had them knew that they had value. I saw some with asking prices 50% above the PSD truck equivalent. So - being more or less practical, got the F250. The prices of the Excursions have held or increased since then. Especially the creampuff ones. FYI - The one thing I do wish is that I had gotten the crew cab (not the super cab like I did). It would be good to have real second row seats, but I favored the bit shorter wheelbase instead back then thinking that was the better choice. If I had to do it today - I would go with the short bed, crew cab. __________________ *Kevin* 1970 2800CS - - 2001 740iL - - 2006 997.1 - - 2012 Escalade 1968 Mustang GT Convertible - - 2003 Ford F250 PSD - - 1985 728i