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Old 11-03-2020, 07:27 AM   #31
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Yea, the X5 manual was an unusually bad driving experience. 1st gear was basically a granny gear so you’d realistically start out in 2nd. The rest of the gearing was a mess too. Fine for a large truck I guess, but not what you expect for a luxury SUV.

The manual X3 isn’t as memorable to me, so I guess that means it was just “meh”. Not bad but also not very exciting. The 1st gen X3 had a lot of shortcomings in general too. My parents had a first year (2004 - when they had the grey plastic bumpers - ugly but it was a REALLY cheap lease deal so they didn’t care) and a later 2009 model that had some of the LCI upgrades but still felt cheap. The 2nd gen X3 was a massive upgrade in fit & finish. Current gen took it up another level.

Not sure what the incentives are for a new X3 these days, but figure a nice “new” X3 M40 is low-60’s and a good deal on a new BMW is 10-11% off MSRP before rebates. On a purchase you’d probably get $1000-2000 APR credit if you finance and maybe $500 or $1000 loyalty. Plus $500 BMW CCA if you’re a member. So call it $52-53k range + tax.

Compare that to the 3 year old 2017 X3 35i at $30-32k CPO.

If going for new, I’d personally lease - shoot for payment in the 1% range w/ good incentives and if you look at numbers above you’ll see total cost of lease is in same ballpark as the delta between buying new vs. CPO. And you get the benefit of not tying up the $$ for 3 years, ability to walk away if it’s a problem, or can buyout at end if you like it.

I do feel like we’re coming full circle though as I recall talking about this before. ��
Definitely need to hire you as my buyer’s broker!

And, you are correct—we have come full circle! No lease for me until I secure a mortgage (lenders only care about income not assets, and leases hit you harder because there’s no asset there and they presume the debt will continue on because you’ll lease again).
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Old 11-03-2020, 08:42 AM   #32
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I do feel like we’re coming full circle though as I recall talking about this before. ��

From back in June:

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2017 X3 35i. Nicely optioned with sport package but not sport suspension. But what's with all these Florida cars that have no seat heaters??????

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I still suggest you keep the 2er and get a cheap beater. You're not going to find a wagon/SUV that will bring you joy like a vert. They don't exist.

I really think a used Clubman is the right fit for you. If you're against that, an E91 would work well. As an FYI, my son, who is 6ft 1 at 14yrs old, prefers the e46 wagon back seat to the X5 because it doesn't make him carsick. I don't think the e91 wagon would be too small for what you describe your use case. I take the e46 over the x5 every opportunity I have.

Go cheap, find something that is servicable and you don't worry when it gets dinged, teach your son to drive on it and enjoy the 2er for the times you want to drive. There is a ton of relief to having a beater.
It has made for fun threads though.
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It has made for fun threads though.
Ha!

(The recent one has seat heaters )
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Old 11-03-2020, 09:05 AM   #34
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Ha!

(The recent one has seat heaters )
Have you checked out a clubman? What's still on the test drive list, just the CX-5?
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Have you checked out a clubman? What's still on the test drive list, just the CX-5?
I look at them from time to time. It just seems like it would be too small. Part of the goal is to have a road trip vehicle as well--and that argues for an SUV or wagon, in my mind.
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Old 11-03-2020, 11:48 AM   #36
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Yea, the X5 manual was an unusually bad driving experience. 1st gear was basically a granny gear so you’d realistically start out in 2nd. The rest of the gearing was a mess too. Fine for a large truck I guess, but not what you expect for a luxury SUV.

The manual X3 isn’t as memorable to me, so I guess that means it was just “meh”. Not bad but also not very exciting. The 1st gen X3 had a lot of shortcomings in general too. My parents had a first year (2004 - when they had the grey plastic bumpers - ugly but it was a REALLY cheap lease deal so they didn’t care) and a later 2009 model that had some of the LCI upgrades but still felt cheap. The 2nd gen X3 was a massive upgrade in fit & finish. Current gen took it up another level.

Not sure what the incentives are for a new X3 these days, but figure a nice “new” X3 M40 is low-60’s and a good deal on a new BMW is 10-11% off MSRP before rebates. On a purchase you’d probably get $1000-2000 APR credit if you finance and maybe $500 or $1000 loyalty. Plus $500 BMW CCA if you’re a member. So call it $52-53k range + tax.

Compare that to the 3 year old 2017 X3 35i at $30-32k CPO.

If going for new, I’d personally lease - shoot for payment in the 1% range w/ good incentives and if you look at numbers above you’ll see total cost of lease is in same ballpark as the delta between buying new vs. CPO. And you get the benefit of not tying up the $$ for 3 years, ability to walk away if it’s a problem, or can buyout at end if you like it.

I do feel like we’re coming full circle though as I recall talking about this before. 😄
+1 to all of this. I'd also add that, atleast with BMW leases, you may find that the cost to lease a new one is even comparable to buying a CPO one and keeping it for 3-5 years.
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Old 11-03-2020, 12:14 PM   #37
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Went into build your own and think the dark graphite with cognac leather looks good, provided that you get the wood trim.

Do not like the interior at all with that color and aluminum.
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Went into build your own and think the dark graphite with cognac leather looks good, provided that you get the wood trim.

Do not like the interior at all with that color and aluminum.
Yep. The matte wood. Thanks for the opinion!
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I look at them from time to time. It just seems like it would be too small. Part of the goal is to have a road trip vehicle as well--and that argues for an SUV or wagon, in my mind.
Seems like they're the same size at the Jetta Wagon you've been considering. I haven't driven a new one, but I have always loved the driving experience on past mini's I've spent time with. The new clubman now has 4 real doors, AWD availability and the double swing out rear doors for ease of dog loading.
I went crazy with a JCW (300hp AWD) build basically checking every box and got to $48k. On the one hand that's A LOT for a mini, on the other it's $10k less than most of your other new options you're considering and it would have every option you'd ever want.

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Seems like they're the same size at the Jetta Wagon you've been considering. I haven't driven a new one, but I have always loved the driving experience on past mini's I've spent time with. The new clubman now has 4 real doors, AWD availability and the double swing out rear doors for ease of dog loading.
I went crazy with a JCW (300hp AWD) build basically checking every box and got to $48k. On the one hand that's A LOT for a mini, on the other it's $10k less than most of your other new options you're considering and it would have every option you'd ever want.

You are like a crack dealer. LOL. OK, I will look!
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