Car Hunting: Sedan Edition

[zach]

Originally Posted by Josh (PA)

Is that the opinion for all N63s, or did they fix the gremlins with the N63TU updates?

What issues do they have? Do they have all the n54 wastegate, water pump, hpfp, injector leaking and carbon build up concerns, or a whole new/different list?

I knew well enough to stay away from the V8 in the X5 due to the whole "customer care campaign", and my research suggested the diesels have a whole slew of emission control issues. I never figured out if the customer care thing actually improved the n63 and if the updated one was more reliable.

I'm a broken record on this, but the n63 is fantastic but has some warts. The turbos get way too hot which causes a multitude of issues. I had the engine out services a while back and it has been fine since. The newer, post 2014 v8s are apparently much improved.

[robg]

Originally Posted by Josh (PA)

Is that the opinion for all N63s, or did they fix the gremlins with the N63TU updates?

What issues do they have? Do they have all the n54 wastegate, water pump, hpfp, injector leaking and carbon build up concerns, or a whole new/different list?

I knew well enough to stay away from the V8 in the X5 due to the whole "customer care campaign", and my research suggested the diesels have a whole slew of emission control issues. I never figured out if the customer care thing actually improved the n63 and if the updated one was more reliable.

The customer care campaign didn't really address the fundamental root cause - placement of the turbos caused a slew of heat related failures. It seemed like more of a bandaid by retrofitting supposedly "upgraded" parts such as timing chain tensioner, injectors, etc. Maybe these updated parts are truly able to withstand the higher temps - but most likely they just bought BMW enough time to get the original owners through their lease and warranty period. They've also been pretty aggressive in offering incentives to those owners to upgrade to newer models. Supposedly, with the n63tu, they slightly altered the location of the turbos to address the heat issues.

[Theo]

Originally Posted by robg

The customer care campaign didn't really address the fundamental root cause - placement of the turbos caused a slew of heat related failures. It seemed like more of a bandaid by retrofitting supposedly "upgraded" parts such as timing chain tensioner, injectors, etc. Maybe these updated parts are truly able to withstand the higher temps - but most likely they just bought BMW enough time to get the original owners through their lease and warranty period. They've also been pretty aggressive in offering incentives to those owners to upgrade to newer models. Supposedly, with the n63tu, they slightly altered the location of the turbos to address the heat issues.

So yeah no not buying one of those time bombs.

[zach]

here you go nick!

http://bringatrailer.com/2017/05/24/...lac-fleetwood/

[Nick M3]

Originally Posted by zach

here you go nick!

http://bringatrailer.com/2017/05/24/...lac-fleetwood/

[equ]

Next time, I'm going to take the f10 down so Nick can give the sluggish but comfy sedan a try with 6-speed and the good suspension.

[kognito]

Originally Posted by zach

here you go nick!

http://bringatrailer.com/2017/05/24/...lac-fleetwood/

another BAT car that I would like to take for a drive, but not own

[kognito]

Not a sedan, but ticks many boxes

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1995-audi-s6-6/

[Nick M3]

Originally Posted by kognito

Not a sedan, but ticks many boxes

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1995-audi-s6-6/

Except for the "under no circumstances will the next car I purchase have anything less than 4 doors" box.

[JST]

Originally Posted by Nick M3

Except for the "under no circumstances will the next car I purchase have anything less than 4 doors" box.

It has 5 doors?