2019 E450 Wagon - Page 4

SARAFIL · 09-13-2021, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Josh (PA)

Yea, thats the problem... the seven year old part of me loves them too. I was able to check one out at the Concours this weekend, and was hopeful that when I climbed inside the feeling would subside. Unfortunately, nope. The interior was just as cool as the outside, even the heft of the side swinging rear door. It is a monstrosity, everything feels so heavy and a good way.

I didn't realize it was a 4cyl, that is very underwhelming. Ultimately, this would be primarily a highway cruiser for us, which makes no sense. We will probably go take one for a drive this weekend, with any luck it will be harsh and miserable and get this out of my head.

You can get a 4cyl or 6cyl, and they’re even releasing a $$$ V8

JST · 09-13-2021, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Josh (PA)

Yea, thats the problem... the seven year old part of me loves them too. I was able to check one out at the Concours this weekend, and was hopeful that when I climbed inside the feeling would subside. Unfortunately, nope. The interior was just as cool as the outside, even the heft of the side swinging rear door. It is a monstrosity, everything feels so heavy and a good way.

I didn't realize it was a 4cyl, that is very underwhelming. Ultimately, this would be primarily a highway cruiser for us, which makes no sense. We will probably go take one for a drive this weekend, with any luck it will be harsh and miserable and get this out of my head.

In that vein, I drove my ILs Expedition this weekend and I cannot for the life of me figure out why anyone would voluntarily subject themselves to that kind of punishing ride and poor handling in a family vehicle. I suspect the Defender will be better than that (though...maybe not?), but with luck it won't be.

FC · 09-13-2021, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by JST

In that vein, I drove my ILs Expedition this weekend and I cannot for the life of me figure out why anyone would voluntarily subject themselves to that kind of punishing ride and poor handling in a family vehicle. I suspect the Defender will be better than that (though...maybe not?), but with luck it won't be.

I am not sure what they use, but I imagine the new Defender has air springs like our LR4 does. Our LR4 has an excellent ride despite weighing nearly 3 tons. It also doesn't handle poorly at normal speeds. Apparently the lower control arm bushings take a beating and need replacement by 60k miles, but people have gone out of their way to complement the ride. Ditching the crap OEM Contis a few years ago improved the ride that much more. And our SUV is 8 years old with nearly 50k miles.

Jeff_DML · 09-13-2021, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by FC

I am not sure what they use, but I imagine the new Defender has air springs like our LR4 does. Our LR4 has an excellent ride despite weighing nearly 3 tons. It also doesn't handle poorly at normal speeds. Apparently the lower control arm bushings take a beating and need replacement by 60k miles, but people have gone out of their way to complement the ride. Ditching the crap OEM Contis a few years ago improved the ride that much more. And our SUV is 8 years old with nearly 50k miles.

Front and rear independent suspension help a lot too

robg · 09-13-2021, 02:56 PM

Yeah the defender drives really well out on the road just like it’s Range Rover and discovery platform mates. And yeah the 4 door versions all have air suspension

You can get an inline 6 as well. We have that engine in our RRS and it’s great. Smooth, no noticeable turbo lag (has a mild hybrid system like Mercedes) and pretty efficient on the highway.

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equ · 09-13-2021, 04:04 PM

My neighbor who made me (slightly) jealous with his good looking Defender, likely a 2022 model as it's the 2-door box, has already lemoned it. YMMV.

FC · 09-13-2021, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by equ

My neighbor who made me (slightly) jealous with his good looking Defender, likely a 2022 model as it's the 2-door box, has already lemoned it. YMMV.

Yikes! That was fast.

JST · 09-13-2021, 06:14 PM

The expedition has independent suspension all the way around, too, and it still feels like a buckboard but one that thing was poorly reconstructed from three wrecked buckboards.

FC · 09-13-2021, 06:57 PM

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The expedition has independent suspension all the way around, too, and it still feels like a buckboard but one that thing was poorly reconstructed from three wrecked buckboards.

Josh (PA) · 09-13-2021, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by equ

My neighbor who made me (slightly) jealous with his good looking Defender, likely a 2022 model as it's the 2-door box, has already lemoned it. YMMV.

This is the kind of post I was hoping for. All these others praising how great it drives wasnt helping my rational side at all.

09-13-2021, 02:56 PM	#35
robg Carmudgeon Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 3,243	Yeah the defender drives really well out on the road just like it’s Range Rover and discovery platform mates. And yeah the 4 door versions all have air suspension You can get an inline 6 as well. We have that engine in our RRS and it’s great. Smooth, no noticeable turbo lag (has a mild hybrid system like Mercedes) and pretty efficient on the highway. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

09-13-2021, 04:04 PM	#36
equ Alphanumeric Join Date: Aug 2005 Carmudgeonly Ride: 981S, 340i Posts: 9,584	My neighbor who made me (slightly) jealous with his good looking Defender, likely a 2022 model as it's the 2-door box, has already lemoned it. YMMV.

09-13-2021, 06:14 PM	#38
JST 195 Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 24,611	The expedition has independent suspension all the way around, too, and it still feels like a buckboard but one that thing was poorly reconstructed from three wrecked buckboards.