For anyone looking for a sweet 987S - Page 5

JST · 01-07-2010, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by TD

If *I* know that I can't work around this "issue", there is no way that you can.

I don't know--have you driven a plain jane 987? All of what makes it feel like a Porsche is present and voting. Ultimately, while a 987S might be better than a 987, a 987 now might be better than a 987S someday.

FC · 01-07-2010, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by SARAFIL

You are making my point.

$2000 wheels; $6000 engine, tranny and exhaust.... how much extra does this cost Porsche when they are making the car? What is the extra cost of making a 18" wheel vs. a 17" wheel? The mechanicals do have an extra cost I'm sure, but is it even 10% or 20% of the extra retail?

Marketing 101... "price has nothing to do with cost." Do a good job of convincing people that they need the better model, and they'll spend thousands extra... and you're making tons of profit. And I'll say I'm guilty of falling for it too... we all are.

Of course. Which is why the 911 is Porsches biggest cash cow. You get the best value by buying a stripepr 987, for sure.

FC · 01-07-2010, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by JST

I don't know--have you driven a plain jane 987? All of what makes it feel like a Porsche is present and voting. Ultimately, while a 987S might be better than a 987, a 987 now might be better than a 987S someday.

...yet I bought the S.

Rob · 01-07-2010, 03:55 PM

The S will feel slow after your M. A non-s will feel like a camry.

(note: I edited my original though of "the S IS slow" to avoid starting a small war.)

*clyde* · 01-07-2010, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob

(note: I edited my original though of "the S IS slow" to avoid starting a small war.)

Better than calling his SIS fast and loose.

FC · 01-07-2010, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob

The S will feel slow after your M. A non-s will feel like a camry.

Definitely. The 987S is fast, maybe even very fast at times, but it's not stupid fast. The M3 can be stupid fast at the top end. To contrast that with a 987, I dunno. The open top can do a lot to enhance the fun experience, but if the go pedal feels downright anemic (as it easily could with an M3 as a sibling) the experience might well get neutered. Also, I don't think the 987 sounds as good as my 987S. IIRC the '07's got the extra awesome Cayman S power train along with the improved sound. I've learned sound matters. Once again, something the M3 is very good at.

John V · 01-07-2010, 05:02 PM

This one is easy. It's not mental. The Boxster chassis is so good, it just is not as satisfying with less power. Take my word for it. The only unsatisfying thing about my 986S was that it "only" had 250hp. A 987 with the same power but less torque would not be satisfactory. I always felt like the chassis was good for at least 350hp and I was always researching the big-motor swaps, which have become more common.

bren · 01-07-2010, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by John V

The only unsatisfying thing about my 986S was that it......couldn't keep up with a ratty old vette.

Fixed that for you.

John V · 01-08-2010, 05:54 AM

That too.

equ · 01-08-2010, 12:36 PM

I had several drives in non-S 987's. There is nothing wrong with those cars, if anything they are better than S's for day-to-day driving. Sound as good if not better... The 17's ride and handle well (and I happen to like the retro fat tire look). The 5-speed is actually very well spaced, one of my complaints with the S are the short 5th & 6th gears. I'd be surprised if the 5th on the 5-speed box doesn't match 6th on the 6-speed box on highway revs.

The difference is mental, I was *totally* affected by least regrets/go-for-it logic when I got my S. The big thing the S has , other than some street cred, is entertaining torque, easily accessible tail slides in 2nd. For day-to-day driving, the 5-speed non-S would be my choice... YMMV.

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01-07-2010, 03:55 PM	#44
Rob The user formerly known as rwg Join Date: Oct 2003 Carmudgeonly Ride: Z4 Location: Vegas baby! Posts: 8,261	The S will feel slow after your M. A non-s will feel like a camry. (note: I edited my original though of "the S IS slow" to avoid starting a small war.)

01-07-2010, 05:02 PM	#47
John V No more BMWs Join Date: Apr 2005 Carmudgeonly Ride: Ram, MS3, CX-5, RX-8 Location: Glenwood, MD Posts: 14,753	This one is easy. It's not mental. The Boxster chassis is so good, it just is not as satisfying with less power. Take my word for it. The only unsatisfying thing about my 986S was that it "only" had 250hp. A 987 with the same power but less torque would not be satisfactory. I always felt like the chassis was good for at least 350hp and I was always researching the big-motor swaps, which have become more common.

01-08-2010, 05:54 AM	#49
John V No more BMWs Join Date: Apr 2005 Carmudgeonly Ride: Ram, MS3, CX-5, RX-8 Location: Glenwood, MD Posts: 14,753	That too.

01-08-2010, 12:36 PM	#50
equ Alphanumeric Join Date: Aug 2005 Carmudgeonly Ride: 981S, 340i Posts: 9,584	I had several drives in non-S 987's. There is nothing wrong with those cars, if anything they are better than S's for day-to-day driving. Sound as good if not better... The 17's ride and handle well (and I happen to like the retro fat tire look). The 5-speed is actually very well spaced, one of my complaints with the S are the short 5th & 6th gears. I'd be surprised if the 5th on the 5-speed box doesn't match 6th on the 6-speed box on highway revs. The difference is mental, I was totally affected by least regrets/go-for-it logic when I got my S. The big thing the S has , other than some street cred, is entertaining torque, easily accessible tail slides in 2nd. For day-to-day driving, the 5-speed non-S would be my choice... YMMV.