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Old 07-12-2023, 06:04 PM   #71
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Right. "Every motor head."

I'll keep an eye out for one to test drive. Same for M550i's (2021+). Not any near me right now.
False.

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Unless @TD says otherwise, why play with the fire that is mainstream Italian auto manufacture?
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Old 07-12-2023, 06:20 PM   #72
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False.

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Unless @TD says otherwise, why play with the fire that is mainstream Italian auto manufacture?
I agree. But, also seem to recall TD had decent luck with his and it's coming off lease at some point...
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Old 07-12-2023, 06:41 PM   #73
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Just want to make a comment here, which applies to all German cars made since 2000 —but even more so for potentially temperamental FIAT or Stellantis engines too —it’s bad enough that all of the plastics degrade and crack and shatter (e.g. E90 M3 plastic throttle bodies and plastic water impellers) —but layer this “modern” trend with lackluster engine design.

Rinse. Repeat.

Good luck.

*just saying
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Old 07-12-2023, 07:35 PM   #74
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Old 07-12-2023, 08:25 PM   #75
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Old 07-12-2023, 09:37 PM   #76
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Right. My point is that is it one thing for me to decide back in early 2018 to take the plunge on a new QV when it had been out for only a year. Now the car has been out there for 7 years or so and I keep searching and all I get is that it has been great but that they had battery drainage issues in the first couple of years. Once fixed, no further issues.
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Okay, for the record, I have has ZERO issues over nearly 3 years with my Alfa. None.

And aside from the lack of a manual option, it truly is a much better sport sedan than the comparable offerings from Audi and BMW. It's light and has great feel.

I am seriously considering buying it off lease, especially since it's market value is well above my buy out price.
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