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Old 10-21-2020, 08:39 AM   #201
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I still enjoy my 1er a lot. It's nowhere near as surgical as the 911, but it is much more easily pushed and has a puppy dog sort of personality. Willing to go and go and go, but not so dialed in as to be sterile. The 1er was much better than the 2er from a steering and communication standpoint (plus mine is a stick), but it would be nicer with another 30 - 50 hp. It would be easy to add, but like the DSC module, it hasn't risen to the spend money on it level of desire yet.
Yes. Both cars are really great daily drivers, but pale a tad in the Uber fun department—precision and power.
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Old 10-21-2020, 08:42 AM   #202
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Yes. Both cars are really great daily drivers, but pale a tad in the Uber fun department—precision and power.
I'd be interested in the views of the 1er/2er crew here on the M2 Comp, which I liked a lot--have any of you had a chance to drive one? And, yes, I know it's not a convertible, but...
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Old 10-21-2020, 09:12 AM   #203
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I'd be interested in the views of the 1er/2er crew here on the M2 Comp, which I liked a lot--have any of you had a chance to drive one? And, yes, I know it's not a convertible, but...
Theo has one, so he's probably your best bet on how it is. I've only driven up to the 235 (never tried a b58 version) and I was very let down by the steering compared to my car. I thought it was just the cliche thing to bitch about BMW electric steering until I drove that car. It made me sad realizing my run of fun BMW convertible ownership was over.

You should drive my 1er when you come up to drive the 991.2 so you can see for yourself
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Old 10-21-2020, 09:23 AM   #204
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I'd be interested in the views of the 1er/2er crew here on the M2 Comp, which I liked a lot--have any of you had a chance to drive one? And, yes, I know it's not a convertible, but...
Is that a consolidation of the M3 and Boxster into one fun-ish car?
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Old 10-21-2020, 10:03 AM   #205
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Theo has one, so he's probably your best bet on how it is. I've only driven up to the 235 (never tried a b58 version) and I was very let down by the steering compared to my car. I thought it was just the cliche thing to bitch about BMW electric steering until I drove that car. It made me sad realizing my run of fun BMW convertible ownership was over.

You should drive my 1er when you come up to drive the 991.2 so you can see for yourself
I'll bet the new M3 convertible will have solved the disconnected steering. But, of course, it will be bigger, uglier, and less nimble.
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Old 10-21-2020, 10:05 AM   #206
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I'd be interested in the views of the 1er/2er crew here on the M2 Comp, which I liked a lot--have any of you had a chance to drive one? And, yes, I know it's not a convertible, but...
I've never driven one. If there were a sedan version, I might have. But I don't see the point of losing the convertible without gaining four doors...
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I've never driven one. If there were a sedan version, I might have. But I don't see the point of losing the convertible without gaining four doors...
Well, it has a more usable back seat, and it's really not that annoying to get in the back of the BMW 2-doors.
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Old 10-21-2020, 10:21 AM   #208
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To be fair, the 987 brake feel difference was stark doing back to back comparisons/car changes. Once I drove the cars for a while, I never thought about it. But same goes for the steering, I don't keep thinking about the EPS in the 981, though it doesn't feel as good as the 987. That's a little more important.

The 987.1 ABS was fooled in certain circumstances though, hard stops on bumpy pavement could trigger what felt like being on ice, not even feeling the abs pumping and a large increase in stopping distance. I could point out the exact spot on the exit ramp off of the Hutch that I took to switch to I95-N. Very few locations caused it, rare indeed. Haven't noticed that with the 981, perhaps it's a PSM/ABS tuning improvement. Never had it on the 997.2 but I didn't complete a year with that car (I do miss it).
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To be fair, the 987 brake feel difference was stark doing back to back comparisons/car changes. Once I drove the cars for a while, I never thought about it. But same goes for the steering, I don't keep thinking about the EPS in the 981, though it doesn't feel as good as the 987. That's a little more important.

The 987.1 ABS was fooled in certain circumstances though, hard stops on bumpy pavement could trigger what felt like being on ice, not even feeling the abs pumping and a large increase in stopping distance. I could point out the exact spot on the exit ramp off of the Hutch that I took to switch to I95-N. Very few locations caused it, rare indeed. Haven't noticed that with the 981, perhaps it's a PSM/ABS tuning improvement. Never had it on the 997.2 but I didn't complete a year with that car (I do miss it).
I've heard people complain about this, and some said it got worse if you used larger tires in the front. Fortunately, I've never actually experienced it (despite running 10 mm wider tires up front).

I appreciate the point about the pedal feeling slightly soft on initial application, but it's never really bothered me.

The 987 has always really impressed me with how well it brakes, and with how much abuse the brakes will tolerate and keep coming back for more (esp with better pads/fluid, but even the stock setup is pretty decent). The only flaw is that in the .2s, with their brake based traction control, the rear rotors seem undersized if you track the car.
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Old 10-21-2020, 10:58 AM   #210
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I keep thinking that when my car ends up needing a clutch, I should go ahead and put an LSD (aftermarket) in it and get a tune to make the PSM fully off when the button is pressed. But I've never had it intervene on the street and I don't ever plan on taking the car to a track, so...
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