First Gen BMW X1 - Page 3

blee · 03-11-2016, 09:56 AM

(Sorry, can't quote without having issues on this gov't computer) There's nothing wrong with the quality of the Mazda's drivetrain. I mean that the Ecoboost 2.0 is faster (and the slushie is tolerable), and is therefore better.

Nick M3 · 03-11-2016, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by equ

I took a short Komen drive in one. It's like a cheap-ish feeling jacked up e90. If with manual, good engine & suspension, would definitely be interesting... For my purposes, the height does close to nothing.

They made a RWD version, but not a manual. I don't get it.

Biggins · 11-15-2016, 02:27 PM

Revisiting this again... our old CR-V is meeting its end any day now, so we're in the test driving stage now. I can't keep clearing CELs and ignoring the shakes over 60mph any longer. We'll be trying the first gen X1, 2014+ CX-5, and 2013+ CR-V. I'll recap impressions of the three once we know how they are (because everyone's dying to know about boring soft-roaders). The monkey wrench could be the 2017 CX-5 and CR-V, but we don't really want to take a depreciation hit on a brand new car.

However, I'm going to try to work a couple test drives of my own into the mix. Since they're ridiculously cheap, I'm going to test a turbo 2016 Camaro and the more responsible/practical new Civic hatchback in the next couple weeks.

wdc330i · 11-15-2016, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Biggins

Revisiting this again... our old CR-V is meeting its end any day now, so we're in the test driving stage now. I can't keep clearing CELs and ignoring the shakes over 60mph any longer. We'll be trying the first gen X1, 2014+ CX-5, and 2013+ CR-V. I'll recap impressions of the three once we know how they are (because everyone's dying to know about boring soft-roaders). The monkey wrench could be the 2017 CX-5 and CR-V, but we don't really want to take a depreciation hit on a brand new car.

However, I'm going to try to work a couple test drives of my own into the mix. Since they're ridiculously cheap, I'm going to test a turbo 2016 Camaro and the more responsible/practical new Civic hatchback in the next couple weeks.

All my relatives are buying the Mazdas these days--and loving them.

blee · 11-16-2016, 08:41 AM

Curious what you will think about the CR-V. The 2014-ish edition drove like a video game, and while my wife was okay with that, I hated it.

bren · 11-16-2016, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by blee

The 2014-ish edition drove like a video game....

I think this can be said of pretty much everything now days. Thanks EPS.

Sharp11 · 11-16-2016, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by bren

I think this can be said of pretty much everything now days. Thanks EPS.

New audis have video-game gauges in certain models ...

blee · 11-16-2016, 03:56 PM

EPS doesn't have to be awful, but I'm pretty sure Honda intentionally overboosted and "underfelt" the steering. The wheel was accurate, there wasn't any play or vagueness, but it was just so artificial to me. But hey, the CR-V is a sales hit, and my wife liked how "easy" it was to drive. Who am I to argue?

I guess the Escape parked in my driveway is evidence enough.

Biggins · 11-21-2016, 08:03 AM

We got out to look at some stuff this weekend. I emailed a bunch of dealers for quotes last week and have been flooded with emails. Unless there is some huge last minute silliness from the dealers we emailed, it looks like we're getting another CR-V due to some great deals offered on the remaining 2016s.

2014/5 BMW X1 xDrive28i - We checked out two different first-gen X1s, and I loved them both (compared to the types of cars we're comparing). They remind me more of my E36 than an SUV. Its handling, steering (hydraulic), and performance are way better than the CX-5 and CR-V despite weighing more than both of them. The size would be perfect for our needs today, but we just weren't sure if it would work 2-5+ years down the road. I also have those reliability concerns in the back of my mind that I keep trying to deny. The things she didn't like were the very small back window, the odd gear selector, and the auto start-stop function (it's bad). If the deal doesn't work on the CR-V, we could possibly revisit one of these.

2016 Mazda CX-5 Touring AWD- We both really liked this one. We both have friends who own these and have driven them before testing them at the dealer. I love current Mazda interiors because everything is where it should be. However, we couldn't get the driver's seat into a that perfect comfortable position for my wife. It must be something with the steering wheel and seat adjustment positions. Perhaps it was because we drove the X1 first, but we knew we were in an SUV instead of a car. Despite those small gripes, it's a great choice that I will continue to recommend to friends and family. The redesigned 2017 CX-5 is coming out in a few months, but the Mazda dealers did not seem to have much interest in discounting their 2016s. If they were willing to move on the price like Honda has been, we probably would have chosen the CX-5.

2016 Honda CR-V SE/EX AWD - There is nothing special about the CR-V. It is the slightly less sporty yet marginally more boring CX-5. We both knew that going in since my mother and sister also have recent models. It did have a more comfortable driver's seat/position for my wife and has the practicality to which she's accustomed with our old CR-V. It will haul her horse gear and the dog will like it. It has a CVT and the blah steering, but they still seem comfortable. The bottom line came down to the fact that each Honda dealer I emailed offered YUGE discounts on the 2016 CR-Vs which would get us into a new one for far less than a decent used X1 or a slightly used or 2016 CX-5.

It's not a done deal because I'm waiting on a few dealers to get back to me with their final "best offer," but the decision seems to have been made.

Josh (PA) · 11-21-2016, 08:29 AM

Sounds very logical / rational. Won't need to worry about it for a bunch of years, wife is comfortable in it, no reason to obsess over dog hair, hopefully no electric water pump to fail the first year you have, etc. Congrats

11-21-2016, 08:29 AM	#30
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03-11-2016, 09:56 AM	#21
blee Doctor Mudgeon Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 6,433	(Sorry, can't quote without having issues on this gov't computer) There's nothing wrong with the quality of the Mazda's drivetrain. I mean that the Ecoboost 2.0 is faster (and the slushie is tolerable), and is therefore better.

11-15-2016, 02:27 PM	#23
Biggins Crotchety Join Date: Aug 2007 Carmudgeonly Ride: 22 Tiguan, 11 328i Posts: 912	Revisiting this again... our old CR-V is meeting its end any day now, so we're in the test driving stage now. I can't keep clearing CELs and ignoring the shakes over 60mph any longer. We'll be trying the first gen X1, 2014+ CX-5, and 2013+ CR-V. I'll recap impressions of the three once we know how they are (because everyone's dying to know about boring soft-roaders). The monkey wrench could be the 2017 CX-5 and CR-V, but we don't really want to take a depreciation hit on a brand new car. However, I'm going to try to work a couple test drives of my own into the mix. Since they're ridiculously cheap, I'm going to test a turbo 2016 Camaro and the more responsible/practical new Civic hatchback in the next couple weeks.

11-16-2016, 08:41 AM	#25
blee Doctor Mudgeon Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 6,433	Curious what you will think about the CR-V. The 2014-ish edition drove like a video game, and while my wife was okay with that, I hated it.

11-16-2016, 03:56 PM	#28
blee Doctor Mudgeon Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 6,433	EPS doesn't have to be awful, but I'm pretty sure Honda intentionally overboosted and "underfelt" the steering. The wheel was accurate, there wasn't any play or vagueness, but it was just so artificial to me. But hey, the CR-V is a sales hit, and my wife liked how "easy" it was to drive. Who am I to argue? I guess the Escape parked in my driveway is evidence enough.

11-21-2016, 08:03 AM	#29
Biggins Crotchety Join Date: Aug 2007 Carmudgeonly Ride: 22 Tiguan, 11 328i Posts: 912	We got out to look at some stuff this weekend. I emailed a bunch of dealers for quotes last week and have been flooded with emails. Unless there is some huge last minute silliness from the dealers we emailed, it looks like we're getting another CR-V due to some great deals offered on the remaining 2016s. 2014/5 BMW X1 xDrive28i - We checked out two different first-gen X1s, and I loved them both (compared to the types of cars we're comparing). They remind me more of my E36 than an SUV. Its handling, steering (hydraulic), and performance are way better than the CX-5 and CR-V despite weighing more than both of them. The size would be perfect for our needs today, but we just weren't sure if it would work 2-5+ years down the road. I also have those reliability concerns in the back of my mind that I keep trying to deny. The things she didn't like were the very small back window, the odd gear selector, and the auto start-stop function (it's bad). If the deal doesn't work on the CR-V, we could possibly revisit one of these. 2016 Mazda CX-5 Touring AWD- We both really liked this one. We both have friends who own these and have driven them before testing them at the dealer. I love current Mazda interiors because everything is where it should be. However, we couldn't get the driver's seat into a that perfect comfortable position for my wife. It must be something with the steering wheel and seat adjustment positions. Perhaps it was because we drove the X1 first, but we knew we were in an SUV instead of a car. Despite those small gripes, it's a great choice that I will continue to recommend to friends and family. The redesigned 2017 CX-5 is coming out in a few months, but the Mazda dealers did not seem to have much interest in discounting their 2016s. If they were willing to move on the price like Honda has been, we probably would have chosen the CX-5. 2016 Honda CR-V SE/EX AWD - There is nothing special about the CR-V. It is the slightly less sporty yet marginally more boring CX-5. We both knew that going in since my mother and sister also have recent models. It did have a more comfortable driver's seat/position for my wife and has the practicality to which she's accustomed with our old CR-V. It will haul her horse gear and the dog will like it. It has a CVT and the blah steering, but they still seem comfortable. The bottom line came down to the fact that each Honda dealer I emailed offered YUGE discounts on the 2016 CR-Vs which would get us into a new one for far less than a decent used X1 or a slightly used or 2016 CX-5. It's not a done deal because I'm waiting on a few dealers to get back to me with their final "best offer," but the decision seems to have been made.