Time for a slow 981 search - Page 20

equ · 10-20-2020, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by JST

Oh, your comment on the brakes reminded me of something -- the 981s went to a closed window design for the calipers. Not a huge deal but it makes changing pads harder, since you can't just slip the pads out out of the back of the calipers without unbolting them.

But they also got a much better master cylinder, noticeable improvement in pedal feel/action compared to 987's. I don't think the .2 received the update.

Alan · 10-20-2020, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Josh (PA)

I understand the rest of the post so this comment is probably moot.. but on .2 cars you really don't need an S. The low end torque and 370 hp up top make it feel SIGNIFICANTLY faster than a 981S. PASM is standard, and with a DSC module, you can load in the GT3 damper tuning and swap between a soft cruise setting and a GT3 sport setting.

DSC module info here if you're interested: https://rennlist.com/forums/991/1101...ol-module.html)

If you want more power, slap a cobb tune on it and you're at GTS levels.

You make a good point the 991.2 is so fast you don't need the S model ...

Josh (PA) are you getting the DSC Module ?

John V · 10-20-2020, 06:36 PM

I mean you can also just come up and drive my car to see if the .2 is worth the upgrade.

Equ thinks the master cylinder is a big deal... It's not. The brakes are great. But I'm not someone who needs to have a brake pedal that feels like stepping on a concrete paver

Josh (PA) · 10-20-2020, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan

You make a good point the 991.2 is so fast you don't need the S model ...

Josh (PA) are you getting the DSC Module ?

I think about it from time to time, it seems cool and people rave about the flexibility of easy chassis tuning but I as of yet have found plenty of other things to spend money on. The car drives really well with PASM in sport setting, I really don't need more performance at the moment.

wdc330i · 10-20-2020, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Josh (PA)

I think about it from time to time, it seems cool and people rave about the flexibility of easy chassis tuning but I as of yet have found plenty of other things to spend money on. The car drives really well with PASM in sport setting, I really don't need more performance at the moment.

Funny. I’ve been thinking my little 2 needs a bit more power and a bit harder edge...Makes me feel like I can one day let it go. Buy the Audi wagon or whatever, and start shopping for a more rigorous fun car. Possibly a used Boxster of some sort. And, if it’s a secondary fun car that doesn’t tax my knee every day, back to a stick...

Josh (PA) · 10-20-2020, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by wdc330i

Funny. I’ve been thinking my little 2 needs a bit more power and a bit harder edge...Makes me feel like I can one day let it go. Buy the Audi wagon or whatever, and start shopping for a more rigorous fun car. Possibly a used Boxster of some sort. And, if it’s a secondary fun car that doesn’t tax my knee every day, back to a stick...

I still enjoy my 1er a lot. It's nowhere near as surgical as the 911, but it is much more easily pushed and has a puppy dog sort of personality. Willing to go and go and go, but not so dialed in as to be sterile. The 1er was much better than the 2er from a steering and communication standpoint (plus mine is a stick), but it would be nicer with another 30 - 50 hp. It would be easy to add, but like the DSC module, it hasn't risen to the spend money on it level of desire yet.

equ · 10-20-2020, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by John V

I mean you can also just come up and drive my car to see if the .2 is worth the upgrade.

Equ thinks the master cylinder is a big deal... It's not. The brakes are great. But I'm not someone who needs to have a brake pedal that feels like stepping on a concrete paver

I don't remember saying it's a big deal. I owned a 996 then a 987.1 then a 997.2 then a 987.2; in that order. The brake pedal sucked in both 987's. It was good in both 911's and the 981. I had mushy moments on the street. I'm not measuring distances for a C&D test, I'm not racing. This is my subjective feel on the street.

John V · 10-21-2020, 06:04 AM

I can't really fathom what sucks about it. The pedal is firm and predictable, never mushy.

I think there was something wrong with your car.

FC · 10-21-2020, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by John V

I can't really fathom what sucks about it. The pedal is firm and predictable, never mushy.

I think there was something wrong with your car.

I do recall, after years of hearing how spectacular Porsche brakes were, that coming off the ZHP the 987.1S brakes had a smidge more softness at initial application, but nothing remotely objectionable.

BMW's (at least 3ers) in my experience do have a firmer initial response.

wdc330i · 10-21-2020, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by FC

I do recall, after years of hearing how spectacular Porsche brakes were, that coming off the ZHP the 987.1S brakes had a smidge more softness at initial application, but nothing remotely objectionable.

BMW's (at least 3ers) in my experience do have a firmer initial response.

Except for the X3 derive that I tested recently.

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John V No more BMWs Join Date: Apr 2005 Carmudgeonly Ride: Ram, MS3, CX-5, RX-8 Location: Glenwood, MD Posts: 14,753	I mean you can also just come up and drive my car to see if the .2 is worth the upgrade. Equ thinks the master cylinder is a big deal... It's not. The brakes are great. But I'm not someone who needs to have a brake pedal that feels like stepping on a concrete paver Last edited by John V; 10-20-2020 at 07:14 PM.

10-21-2020, 06:04 AM	#198
John V No more BMWs Join Date: Apr 2005 Carmudgeonly Ride: Ram, MS3, CX-5, RX-8 Location: Glenwood, MD Posts: 14,753	I can't really fathom what sucks about it. The pedal is firm and predictable, never mushy. I think there was something wrong with your car.