Tire advice urgently needed - Page 2

*ayn* · 08-11-2004, 09:41 PM

PS2, and then Eagle F1's.

Masskrug · 08-12-2004, 01:17 AM

Another vote for the PS2's here. I got them at Costco, where they were cheaper than Tire Rack. Since then, Tire Rack has dropped their prices.

They have fantastic grip wet and dry, stiff and crisp sidewalls, great compliance, and quiet performance so far. I don't know how Michelin accomplished all these qualities, as they would seem mutually exclusive to me.

bren · 08-12-2004, 09:05 AM

I wonder how the RA1 will handle colder winter temps?

JST · 08-12-2004, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by bren

I wonder how the RA1 will handle colder winter temps?

I don't know. Clyde and Nick mocked me for choosing the T1-S over the RA-1 as a street tire in part because of my need to use the tires year round (including the cold and very occasional snow). They think, perhaps rightly, that the T1-S is going to be just as bad as the RA-1 in the cold. The only thing I can go by is that the RA-1 includes a special disclaimer about use in cold temps that the T1-S doesn't--Toyo's lawyers must have a reason for that.

TD · 08-12-2004, 10:04 AM

Okay guys, let's get back on topic.

I looked up the two Toyos. The only online site I found them at that had reviews was 1010tires.com. The disclaimer that goes along with the RA-1s is a bit intimidating. Since the car *might* see snow with these tires on, I think these tires are out of the question (they're not exactly cheap either).

The reviews at 1010tires.com for the T1-s did contain a few references to the sidewall not being all that stiff. So that only adds to JST's observation. And, again, that brings me close to ruling them out.

Otherwise, here and at the Fest, I've received a number of recommendations for the PS2.

Thoughts? Known negatives (besides price)?

bren · 08-12-2004, 10:09 AM

I have yet to see a negative review of the PS2 on any forum.

I doubt the RA1, T1S or any "performance" tire is going to do very well in even light slush or cold temps. TD, didn't you try the S03 in snow last year?

TD · 08-12-2004, 10:17 AM

The S-03s in snow are just laughable.

I have left the M3 at home on days when snow is in the forecast. But I'd like to feel that I could get home from work in the M3 should an unexpected snow occur assuming I get on the road right as it's starting. That's currently not a safe bet with the S-03s.

For comparison, the Dunlop 2020Es on my wife's car, while being summer performance tires, do halfway decent int he snow. As do the Dunlop FM-901s on the Saab. (Yes, all three cars are running summer tires.)

JST · 08-12-2004, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by bren

I have yet to see a negative review of the PS2 on any forum.

I doubt the RA1, T1S or any "performance" tire is going to do very well in even light slush or cold temps. TD, didn't you try the S03 in snow last year?

There is definite variability. I thought that the Contis were actually pretty good in the snow, for a summer performance tire. The (original) Pilot Sports were noticeably less good than the Conti, but I think TD has experience with those in the snow. I have yet to try the T1-Ss in the snow, so I don't know about those.

When snow is in the forecast, I also try and leave the M3 at home. However, it just doesn't snow enough (or even really get cold enough for long enough) in DC to justify the cost and inconvenience of a separate set of snow tires, *especially* since I've got an AWD wagon with all seasons as my other car. I need tires that will not be completely useless if I get trapped at work in an unexpected snow.

Nick M3 · 08-12-2004, 10:29 AM

Note that Paul discounted $100 from 1010tires' prices for me. While you might not get quite that nice a price on them, you'll do a lot better than that.

I think they're one of the nicest street tires I've ever driven on.

bren · 08-12-2004, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by TD

The S-03s in snow are just laughable.

I have left the M3 at home on days when snow is in the forecast. But I'd like to feel that I could get home from work in the M3 should an unexpected snow occur assuming I get on the road right as it's starting. That's currently not a safe bet with the S-03s.

For comparison, the Dunlop 2020Es on my wife's car, while being summer performance tires, do halfway decent int he snow. As do the Dunlop FM-901s on the Saab. (Yes, all three cars are running summer tires.)

I would assume any ultra performance tire would react to cold and snow like the S03. The fact that the other 2 tires are lower grade performance tires might be telling of some difference in the compound or I guess it could just be something in Dunlop's compound.

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Masskrug Jaded Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Stumptown, Oregon Posts: 674	Another vote for the PS2's here. I got them at Costco, where they were cheaper than Tire Rack. Since then, Tire Rack has dropped their prices. They have fantastic grip wet and dry, stiff and crisp sidewalls, great compliance, and quiet performance so far. I don't know how Michelin accomplished all these qualities, as they would seem mutually exclusive to me. __________________ 2002 325i 5sp TiAg/Black - UUC sways-M3 Strut Bar-WSM-Rogue E.Brake-LeatherZ Alcantara ShiftBoot 2003 X5 3.0 5sp StahlGrau/Black- Stockers BMW Baby Racer Blue/Orange

08-12-2004, 10:29 AM	#19
Nick M3 Relic Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Bethesda, MD Posts: 12,458	Note that Paul discounted $100 from 1010tires' prices for me. While you might not get quite that nice a price on them, you'll do a lot better than that. I think they're one of the nicest street tires I've ever driven on. __________________ 2011 M3 2006 Sierra 2500HD 4WD LBZ/Allison 2004 X5 3.0i 6MT 1995 M3 S50B32 1990 325is 1989 M3 S54B32 Hers: 1989 325iX 1996 911 Turbo

08-12-2004, 09:05 AM	#13
bren lawn boy Join Date: Oct 2003 Carmudgeonly Ride: e46m3, f25x3,C5 Z06, C4 Vette, 06 CTD Ram, and a trailer Location: Maryland Posts: 14,029	I wonder how the RA1 will handle colder winter temps?

08-12-2004, 10:04 AM	#15
TD Founder emeritus Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Maryland Posts: 21,007	Okay guys, let's get back on topic. I looked up the two Toyos. The only online site I found them at that had reviews was 1010tires.com. The disclaimer that goes along with the RA-1s is a bit intimidating. Since the car might see snow with these tires on, I think these tires are out of the question (they're not exactly cheap either). The reviews at 1010tires.com for the T1-s did contain a few references to the sidewall not being all that stiff. So that only adds to JST's observation. And, again, that brings me close to ruling them out. Otherwise, here and at the Fest, I've received a number of recommendations for the PS2. Thoughts? Known negatives (besides price)?

08-12-2004, 10:09 AM	#16
bren lawn boy Join Date: Oct 2003 Carmudgeonly Ride: e46m3, f25x3,C5 Z06, C4 Vette, 06 CTD Ram, and a trailer Location: Maryland Posts: 14,029	I have yet to see a negative review of the PS2 on any forum. I doubt the RA1, T1S or any "performance" tire is going to do very well in even light slush or cold temps. TD, didn't you try the S03 in snow last year?

08-12-2004, 10:17 AM	#17
TD Founder emeritus Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Maryland Posts: 21,007	The S-03s in snow are just laughable. I have left the M3 at home on days when snow is in the forecast. But I'd like to feel that I could get home from work in the M3 should an unexpected snow occur assuming I get on the road right as it's starting. That's currently not a safe bet with the S-03s. For comparison, the Dunlop 2020Es on my wife's car, while being summer performance tires, do halfway decent int he snow. As do the Dunlop FM-901s on the Saab. (Yes, all three cars are running summer tires.)