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Old 05-14-2017, 12:19 PM   #1
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Range Rovers

The fancy has struck me for a Range Rover HSE, specifically 2010 to 2012. I'm wondering if the v8 in these (375hp?) was carried forward to FC's newer LR4. The Range Rover Sport doesn't appeal to me (though likely it's a more useful size), I like the full sized HSE, don't think I have any interest in the Supercharged versions. I'm guessing weak points may be air suspension, electrics. What else? Has anyone here owned one?

FC. I assume your LR4 has been reliable. But it was brand new and guessing still under warranty. How many miles now? Have you put snow tires or slummed the MA winter on all-seasons?

Now that we are the owners of an *old* home and a fast growing dog, many of FC's decision criteria apply. I am also tired of damaging undertrays, fog lights, front bumpers on snow and ice piles that I inevitably need to park on/over. While I have gone the route of snow tires on low cars, both the TDI and the 5er sustained damage this mild winter on the two storms we had. The TDI doesn't matter as it goes back in three weeks. The 5er front lower bumper has scratches, I replaced a fog light and now am seeing some misalignment on its wonderful M-exhaust (will have to take that in).

The Home Depot stuff does push the boundaries of a Golf and a 5er without fold-down seats. And then the fast growing dog (she hit 60lbs & 26" at 5 and a half months, still adding 2-3lbs/week). I think we could swing an older, less-reliable one as we won't depend on it daily as a commuter and the running costs (tires, brakes, mpg) may be reasonable for the 4 to 6k miles/year we put on.

I find them more appealing looking than the newer gen.

I don't want x5's or other utes (ML?) that don't have real grip on the bad stuff. That's important to me. I tried air suspension on a cayenne (new loaner) and that was great as well, so that's also an option. Somehow finding the RR more attractive, but I guess there are other options. LR4, 4runner, Land Cruiser... Not sure what any one of them have over the other.

And yes, I do remember my failed x5d purchase. Shortest holding period ever. Bought in October, could not wait out the winter. Hated the suspension, the seats (both base), don't think xdrive has the grip I need. My particular one also had a continual whiff of diesel in the cabin, not something I've seen in MB's and VW's.
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Old 05-14-2017, 12:23 PM   #2
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Unless you can find one at CarMax with their warranty, I'd stay far far away from a used Land Rover product…

I know that Doug Demuro's is older, but his blogs about his Range Rover give a good feel for what to expect...
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Old 05-14-2017, 01:12 PM   #3
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I have seen his videos. His is an earlier (2006?) version. Some of the stuff he gets fixed, he goes to the dealer and racks up large bills to make a story out of it. Of course, it's a high maintenance vehicle, but is it really THAT bad as a non-primary car? I see so many running around.

What are some alternatives? I don't need more than 2 rows, a nice interior and a smooth ride are essential. I don't want to spend more than $30k on this machine, less if possible.
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Old 05-14-2017, 06:15 PM   #4
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I suspect any SUV ​with decent ground clearance and AWD will perform as well as an RR in your suburban environment.
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Old 05-14-2017, 09:44 PM   #5
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I believe the current gen Rovers have slightly better reliability, but also crazy high resale due to limited volume production and high demand in foreign markets. I've poked around at what 2013+ models sell for as I've always thought they look pretty nice and they are just too much money. Prior gen (the ones you are talking about) are considerably cheaper but come with the historical LR/RR reliability. Also keep in mind that car was developed under BMW ownership, refreshed under Ford ownership and by the time it went out of production Tata was under control. I always wondered what that would mean for a mix of BMW, Ford and who-knows-what electronics and mechanicals throughout the car.
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Old 05-14-2017, 10:12 PM   #6
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Yeah, what about a Grand Cherokee?
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Old 05-14-2017, 10:23 PM   #7
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Like this one looks nice.

https://www.carmax.com/car-beta/13870362
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Old 05-14-2017, 10:24 PM   #8
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I know people who would rather push a Land Rover than drive a Jeep. Those people tend to do a lot of pushing.

I get the appeal of Rangies, and newer ones are more promising in the reliability department, but a Grand Cherokee does pretty much everything better and cheaper. (The only possible exception is a third row of seats, which Jeep doesn't offer yet, but I don't know whether the RR has one.)
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Old 05-15-2017, 09:00 AM   #9
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I believe the current gen Rovers have slightly better reliability, but also crazy high resale due to limited volume production and high demand in foreign markets. I've poked around at what 2013+ models sell for as I've always thought they look pretty nice and they are just too much money. Prior gen (the ones you are talking about) are considerably cheaper but come with the historical LR/RR reliability. Also keep in mind that car was developed under BMW ownership, refreshed under Ford ownership and by the time it went out of production Tata was under control. I always wondered what that would mean for a mix of BMW, Ford and who-knows-what electronics and mechanicals throughout the car.
See, I just like the interior & exterior of the boxy generation. I've ridden around in a RR HSE for short trips and one RRS (diesel in Europe) for a much longer trip. I prefer the full size one. I'm not looking to spend 2013+ money, as I wrote, I need for not that much mileage per year.

My minimal research shows that the 2010-2012 got the Ford/Jag 5.0 v8 to replace the Bmw 4.4. So it must be better, right? (Progress!)

https://newyork.craigslist.org/que/cto/6105314386.html

In fact, this is my target car, I've not convinced the better half yet to go see it. Sure, I could muscle this decision through, but I'd rather have her on board. Last weekend there was little opportunity, this coming weekend, I'll be in Scottsdale, AZ. Hope it lasts on the market (doubt it).
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Old 05-15-2017, 09:01 AM   #10
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I don't have any love for x3 or x5's. The JGC would indeed do the job, correct size and good AWD/4x4 system. But, but...

I guess I've rented them in the distant past and I just don't want one. This is a rationalization thread, where I have certain desires, and I'm cloaking them in pseudo-logic.
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