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Old 07-14-2020, 01:27 PM   #11
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We'll have to see what the real range is for these vehicles.
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Old 07-14-2020, 02:07 PM   #12
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The 5er was a 2019, I think. It was brand new last year, and likely had been pushed into loaner service bc no one wanted to buy it.
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Old 07-14-2020, 02:32 PM   #13
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What makes me a skeptic about this vehicles is:

1) Performance in EV-only mode (would not want an absolute dog)
2) Real range in EV-only mode
3) Weight and packaging issues
4) Complexity from dual power sources
5) Cost both in terms of acquisition and depreciation.

All of these are interrelated. It will come down to execution.
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Old 07-14-2020, 04:50 PM   #14
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The 5er was a 2019, I think. It was brand new last year, and likely had been pushed into loaner service bc no one wanted to buy it.
Newest one should be incrementally better--more get-up-and-go and slight longer range:

"For 2021, the plug-in hybrid version of the BMW 5-Series sport sedan, the 530e, might no longer be the slowest-accelerating model in the U.S. 5-Series lineup.

That might sound petty, but it's an important step forward to prove the worth of a format the automaker has a lot of its future invested in. BMW has ambitious targets for plug-in hybrids and EVs and even sees a future fully electric 7-Series as being the fastest one.

The 530e’s 0-60 mph acceleration time drops down to 5.7 seconds, which is now 0.1 or 0.2 seconds quicker than base 530i models. While it’s not the quickest in the lineup (that nod goes to the 540i and M550i models), that fixes at least one of the ways in which the plug-in hybrid just didn’t make much sense—although it’s still nowhere close to a cheerleader for the performance potential of going electric.

The 530e is powered by a 181-hp inline-6 engine, and a 107-hp electric motor that is packaged together with the transmission and clutched between the engine and eight-speed automatic transmission. With the addition of XtraBoost, which electrically adds 40 more horsepower on demand—when the accelerator is pegged, in Sport mode—maximum power from the hybrid system gets boosted to 288 hp, with 310 lb-ft of peak torque."

https://www.greencarreports.com/news...electric-miles
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Old 07-14-2020, 05:25 PM   #15
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I remember when 5.7sec to 60 was top end super car territory.
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Old 07-14-2020, 05:31 PM   #16
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I remember when 5.7sec to 60 was top end super car territory.
Ha for sure. I've realized that, at this point, 0-60 times of 6 seconds or less equate to what feels like a decently quick daily driver. Anything slower than that now seems like a dog (unless it's a classic car with a manual or something). That being said, anything under 5 still feels really fast to me so atleast i'm not completely jaded.
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BMW plug-ins seem like a bad idea to me. A company renown for unreliable electronics. Plus added weight. Plus minimal range.
It's called a lease. Don't buy a new BMW, even if you do plan to keep it.
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It's called a lease. Don't buy a new BMW, even if you do plan to keep it.
At the rate car technology in evolving, I'm beginning to think this is true for all of them.
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At the rate car technology in evolving, I'm beginning to think this is true for all of them.
Really, I think that the only interest I have in a new car is when they hit self driving. And it doesn't count if I have to pay attention.
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Old 07-14-2020, 05:57 PM   #20
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Ha for sure. I've realized that, at this point, 0-60 times of 6 seconds or less equate to what feels like a decently quick daily driver. Anything slower than that now seems like a dog (unless it's a classic car with a manual or something). That being said, anything under 5 still feels really fast to me so atleast i'm not completely jaded.
Yeah, but the 0-60 metric is still stupid. It makes a little more sense nowadays when comparing AWD cars, but still.

Our LR4 is technically as quick 0-60 as the Miata (6-7 seconds) which is slowish in 2020. But if you dare floor the LR4 (a very rare occurrence for me), it will move with enough authority to freak passengers out. Similarly, I can beat the Miata pretty hard on the street (and usually do), making it move pretty fast and faster than it really is.
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