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12-09-2013, 03:52 PM | #364 |
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12-09-2013, 05:05 PM | #365 |
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Well - I think the so so reviews you see are comparing it to past 911s- not other cars with electric steering. FWIW, the 991 steering felt way better than bmws electric steering to me, for example.
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As far as engine rebuilds, I assume you're talking about the potential for "grenading" due to IMS/RMS issues in the m96/97? I'm not fully up on the air cooled engines but whenever I did research it always seems like each year Porsche fixed an issue and then introduced another- some of which caused catastrophic problems. I think maybe the later carrera 3.2s were fairly trouble free though. Might be too early to say but the 2009+ DI motors seem to be holding up pretty well so far. Plus I think Porsche and the aftermarket have largely addressed the early water cooled issues by now. With bmws, the m88/s38 and s14 require rebuilds every 100k or so. The regular m20s and m30s seem to last a while but there are plenty of m52s/m54s that got over 200k. It does seem like modern cars in general are more "compontized" with less thought given to being able to repair/replace smaller pieces. But it always surprises me to see the techniques people come up with to fix things that weren't designed to be taken apart. But regardless of the era, it seems like most porsche owners don't work on their own cars, instead taking them to expensive specialists who have the special tools, knowledge and experience to fix them. Overall my sense is that modern cars have just as much potential (if not more) to last a long time. I think people will figure how to keep engines with DI and turbos running, and update cabin electronics. |
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and what i'm finding is that the modern car is more modular, but it's "replacement" as opposed to "fix". and that could be the way that the engineers were forced to design and to execute on the part(s). i am extremely curious (isn't everyone) to see how well the 996s (early and late) hold up. the on-the-fly PDFs that are shipped to mechanics? on the 993s, it was about 1 thick binder. for the 996s? it's (no exaggeration) like 10 binders, they changed parts so much on the fly. ultimately, i think the complexity of the more modern engines scale logarithmically and not in linear fashion, so that we will see fewer of them out and on the roads in 20 years. and i think it has to do with electronics as well as cost of re-build. if you look at it, Porsche and BMW's versions of VANOS is really difficult to rebuild, but then throw in direct injection, higher compression and i think these are mainly throwaway engines. the HP/litre outputs demand so much from an enclosed and very hot space that failure rates necessarily must go higher --and this is driven by heavier cars which require more power, fewer emissions and more efficiency. the modern car cannot win --it's too dependent on electronic tech whereas the older cars are purely mechanical. the mere penetrance of electronics dictates that secondary mechanics will be precluded from performing majority of the repairs; and the dealer doesn't want to rebuild anything, they just want to replace.
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If I keep it another few years, it'll be well worth it. I love that the Merc was so cheap to buy, even after repairing the head gasket and drivers seat it still comes in well under $10k - and it's a great drive at 86k miles. It's a minimalist car by today's standards. |
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