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Old 02-10-2020, 12:18 AM   #31
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Let's leave Obamas, Elon's $90M frivolity and all other associated jacks out.

The real update is Tesla decontenting their car after selling it to a 3rd party dealer. If true (and with Torchinsky reporting, I'd have to assume it is), it really hits a nerve. Wouldn't this hurt their resale? Which ultimately means you're shooting yourself in the foot. Or is it intentional and a business model, they want to monopolize the secondary market cutting out independents. What if individual A sold to individual B? Perhaps they really view cars as mostly software.
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Old 02-10-2020, 12:54 AM   #32
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Let's leave Obamas, Elon's $90M frivolity and all other associated jacks out.
I have no idea where the Obama reference came from and agree it has no spot here, but you can't separate Elon Musk from Tesla. Tesla's corporate actions and fumblings move at the whim and direction of and as follow up to Musk's erratic behaviors, random Twitter postings, and other public statements. That is a huge part of the problem with Tesla (if not also one of its strengths).

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The real update is Tesla decontenting their car after selling it to a 3rd party dealer. If true (and with Torchinsky reporting, I'd have to assume it is), it really hits a nerve. Wouldn't this hurt their resale? Which ultimately means you're shooting yourself in the foot. Or is it intentional and a business model, they want to monopolize the secondary market cutting out independents. What if individual A sold to individual B? Perhaps they really view cars as mostly software.
In the words of Elon "Henry Hill" Musk, "Fuck you, pay me."
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Old 02-10-2020, 08:00 AM   #33
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I have no idea where the Obama reference came from
I was responding directly to Dan, but in regards to the meme you posted. I randomly chose another person, who's well-liked, that's also throwing huge piles of cash at frivolous things while there are 43 million people living in poverty. I thought it was pretty obvious?

Anyhow, back to the original thread. Not that I'm in the market to buy one, but the thing about decontenting Tesla cars is annoying enough that it'd turn me away from buying one. Just like anything else, if you don't like it then vote with your pocketbook.
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Old 02-10-2020, 09:12 AM   #34
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In the words of Elon "Henry Hill" Musk, "Fuck you, pay me."
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Old 02-10-2020, 09:29 AM   #35
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A little unrelated to these delete issues, but not as unrelated as Obama . . .WTF is Tesla's gameplan for old cars? Down here there are ICE cars running around on the highway that could never pass MV inspections in northern states.

Any yahoo shadetree mechanic can get a ICE car/truck back on the road that should be in a junk yard. . . . what is going to be the value of a 10-15+ year old Tesla? Who the fuck will/can fix them?

There are Tesla's on the road here in SC, but there is no where to service them in SC
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A little unrelated to these delete issues, but not as unrelated as Obama . . .WTF is Tesla's gameplan for old cars? Down here there are ICE cars running around on the highway that could never pass MV inspections in northern states.

Any yahoo shadetree mechanic can get a ICE car/truck back on the road that should be in a junk yard. . . . what is going to be the value of a 10-15+ year old Tesla? Who the fuck will/can fix them?

There are Tesla's on the road here in SC, but there is no where to service them in SC
Based on the Roadster, the answer is that they will be deprecated and unserviceable.

(I suspect that they will have to figure out an alternative option.)
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Old 02-10-2020, 01:02 PM   #37
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A little unrelated to these delete issues, but not as unrelated as Obama . . .WTF is Tesla's gameplan for old cars? Down here there are ICE cars running around on the highway that could never pass MV inspections in northern states.

Any yahoo shadetree mechanic can get a ICE car/truck back on the road that should be in a junk yard. . . . what is going to be the value of a 10-15+ year old Tesla? Who the fuck will/can fix them?

There are Tesla's on the road here in SC, but there is no where to service them in SC
This is part of what "right to repair" is about.

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Based on the Roadster, the answer is that they will be deprecated and unserviceable.

(I suspect that they will have to figure out an alternative option.)
Who is "they"? It's kind of hard to believe Tesla will cooperative, but all it would take is an insulting tweet directed at Elon when he's at just that right point of being stoned to change things, so who knows?

All those old cars represent the bulk of the cars on the road today. Many of them were once expensive fancy new fangled ICE things. If that trickle down process supported by independent repairs and non-OE parts doesn't replicate to the electric world, it's going to take an insanely longer time for electrics to replace ICE cars and there could be a distinctly Cuban vibe. I'm sure someone will figure it out...there's way too much money in it to leave it alone, but I just don't see Tesla being cooperative and that's everyone's loss.
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Old 02-10-2020, 01:13 PM   #38
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...all it would take is an insulting tweet directed at Elon when he's at just that right point of being stoned to change things, so who knows?
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Old 02-10-2020, 05:50 PM   #39
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I get the impression that Tesla/musk are very mixed when it comes to supporting older cars. On one hand they’d like cars older than a year to just vanish into the ether. On the other hand they talk about million mile cars, sustainability and right to repair.

Regardless what they do people always find a way. Witness all the grassroots efforts dedicated to figuring out how to repair older model s. The rich rebuilds channel on YouTube is a great example of this.


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