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Old 12-04-2018, 09:49 AM   #11
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edit: Then I ran across the Edmunds "True cost to own" list (this one from 2012) on another forum. It's like a listing of the cars I'd least like to own and drive.

True Cost to Own
2012 Nissan Leaf $19,732
2013 Fiat 500e $20,807
2014 Chevy Spark EV $21,086
2012 Scion iQ $21,713
2012 Mazda 2 $22,013
2012 Mitsubishi Mirage $22,185
2012 Honda Insight $22,368
2012 Honda Civic Hybrid $22,433
2012 Hyundai Accent hatchback $22,729
2012 Toyota Yaris 5 spd $23,298
2012 Chevy Volt $23,707
2012 Honda CRZ Base 5 spd $23,790
2012 Toyota Prius Plug-in $24,066
2012 Honda Fit $24,475
2012 Toyota Corolla $24,549
2014 Smart FourTwo Electric $24,611
2012 Toyota Prius $25,373
2013 Ford Fusion Energi $27,712
2012 VW Jetta Diesel $28,524
Exactly!

Edit: Just looked at the Gladiator. I totally want one.
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Old 12-04-2018, 05:17 PM   #12
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I wanted a Colorado too. But I think I prefer the Gladiator.

The JL does everything Iíve ever needed in a utility vehicle.

But I never get to drive it. So instead of getting two JLs, I might try a Gladiator. Just for fun.
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Old 12-04-2018, 09:06 PM   #13
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The JL does everything Iíve ever needed in a utility vehicle.
I'm just curious what you use it for that it excels at?
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Old 12-05-2018, 09:40 AM   #14
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The pick up trucks Jeep used to sell make much more sense, but they didn't sell very many.

It was a 2 door, with a real world sized bed.

This 4 door spongebob square "truck" makes little sense, so it will probably sell
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I'm just curious what you use it for that it excels at?


Hauling three dogs.

Hauling brush and wood. Lots of mulch and soil. Tons of plants.

When the rear seats are folded down not as much space as JK but itís still cavernous.
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Oops.

"2018 Jeep Wrangler scores 1 star in European crash tests"

http://forums.carmudgeons.com/showth...676#post542676
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"2018 Jeep Wrangler scores 1 star in European crash tests"



http://forums.carmudgeons.com/showth...676#post542676


Good God.

Safety is never even something I look at on any vehicle.

Youíre talking to someone who commuted in Boston year round in a mid 80s Carrera.
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Oops.

"2018 Jeep Wrangler scores 1 star in European crash tests"

http://forums.carmudgeons.com/showth...676#post542676

Has Jeep ever made a "safe" vehicle???
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Old 12-25-2018, 05:36 PM   #19
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"2018 Jeep Wrangler scores 1 star in European crash tests"



http://forums.carmudgeons.com/showth...676#post542676


This test relies heavily on automated systems, at first glance.

Iíll just keep my mouth shut about this.

It is comical.
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Iíll just keep my mouth shut about this.
I think that ship has sailed?

I don't know anything about the star ratings. Are they bogus?
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