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Old 10-20-2016, 05:20 PM   #1551
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So what is the new spec?
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Old 10-20-2016, 05:47 PM   #1552
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Josh, I thought the SW updates a while ago made the car undriveable ��
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Old 10-20-2016, 06:08 PM   #1553
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What's up w/ all the cryptic perservators these days... first Nick and his lack of sedan purchase (did he ever get the Ghibli?) and now Josh. I live vicariously through you guys car shopping these days
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Old 10-20-2016, 08:18 PM   #1554
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These are troubling choice of words.
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Ignoring the sketchy "black box" logging/data sharing issue - the plan to look at how autopilot and human actions differ in an accident will be pretty neat to see.
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Yeah, this is actually a pretty solid proposal. Coming up with the record evidence to allow any sort of risk-based regulation of these technologies is a huge trick; this will go a long way toward providing the info that NHTSA needs to decide how best to regulate these things going forward.

I still have no interest in a car that drives itself, which to me is like a self-licking ice cream cone. But I know I'm in the minority.
Have you guys been following the discussions about how cars should be programmed in terms of choosing what/who to hit when collisions are unavoidable?

There is still so much shit to figure out.

Assuming the threshold has been crossed that autonomous cars are good enough that they should be allowed to be used in the market, is it best to push the technology out before ethics and regulations catch up?

Does anyone want to sit on the jury for the first case of a manufacturer being sued when a baby gets hit in a crosswalk and the car chose to mow them down rather than swerve into oncoming traffic and risk the driver?
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Old 10-20-2016, 09:28 PM   #1555
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... chose to mow them down rather than swerve into oncoming traffic and risk the driver?
Is that really so different than a human driver's calculus? How many people do you expect will prioritize others over self?
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Old 10-20-2016, 10:19 PM   #1556
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While these are interesting and important questions from a philosophical, legal and generally humanities angle, they are remote edge cases that aren't even very clear. The engineering is so, so far from making those unlikely choices. We'd be lucky if it makes out a white truck against a light, bright sky.

All right, all right, I realize it's going to get past those easy cases, but there are vast, broad, numerous edge cases that need engineering/statistical solutions before we even get to "do I run over the mom with the stroller or do I plow into the bus stop?" kind of made-up scenarios. We have little way of modeling how each target would move or react. Are we going to conduct experiments to see that? It's just a discussion that people find interesting, but it's more of an advanced engineering problem (in fact, it may not be a "well-defined" one, but I won't define that here). We have beginner and intermediate to get through first.




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Have you guys been following the discussions about how cars should be programmed in terms of choosing what/who to hit when collisions are unavoidable?

There is still so much shit to figure out.

Assuming the threshold has been crossed that autonomous cars are good enough that they should be allowed to be used in the market, is it best to push the technology out before ethics and regulations catch up?

Does anyone want to sit on the jury for the first case of a manufacturer being sued when a baby gets hit in a crosswalk and the car chose to mow them down rather than swerve into oncoming traffic and risk the driver?
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Old 10-20-2016, 11:30 PM   #1557
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This Verge article has some pics of where the new cameras are...

http://www.theverge.com/2016/10/20/1...mera-elon-musk
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Old 11-01-2016, 09:34 AM   #1558
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Interesting comparison of the Bolt and the Model S 60.

http://www.motortrend.com/cars/chevr...la-model-s-60/

The Bolt comes across as pretty impressive, though the biggest flaw in the ointment is the fast charging capability, which is really inferior to Tesla's.
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Old 11-01-2016, 10:08 AM   #1559
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The Bolt comes across as unattractive and boring
Fixed that for you.
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Old 11-01-2016, 10:15 AM   #1560
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Fixed that for you.
Well, it's not attractive, but in the realm of compact hatches it's not so bad.

Performance is pretty decent, actually. Throw some real tires on it and you might have some fun, even if you took a 15-20 percent range hit.
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