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ff · 01-22-2006, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by JST

I have been behind the wheel of my share of Cavaliers, and they do suck. Fortunately, the Solstice doesn't use a Cavalier engine. It uses a Cobalt engine, which is an entirely different thing.

Are they really all that different?

Cavalier:
2.2 Ecotec 4 cylinder
140HP, 150 Torque

Cobalt:
2.2 Ecotec 4 cylinder
145HP, 155 Torque

lemming · 01-22-2006, 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ff

Are they really all that different?

Cavalier:
2.2 Ecotec 4 cylinder
140HP, 150 Torque

Cobalt:
2.2 Ecotec 4 cylinder
145HP, 155 Torque

it's not terribly different but it is tuned differently. it has VVT and higher outputs (177hp; 166#ft).

it sounds wicked when going through the rev range. very nice exhaust sound.

ff · 01-22-2006, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by lemming

it's not terribly different but it is tuned differently. it has VVT and higher outputs (177hp; 166#ft).

it sounds wicked when going through the rev range. very nice exhaust sound.

VVT, huh? It's about time GM got on that bandwagon

lemming · 01-22-2006, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ff

VVT, huh? It's about time GM got on that bandwagon

hey wisea$$, it's already got more torque than your sewing machine.

and a LOT more than aty's hamstermobile.

dan · 01-22-2006, 08:55 PM

that's okay, mine's still a lot quicker

lemming · 01-22-2006, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by bonoboy

that's okay, mine's still a lot quicker

bait taken. G U L P.

there are a lot of things about the Elise that are superior to the Solstice. the real question will be how close to Elise performance you can get as a consumer when the Solstice GXP hits the streets. they are going to have line 'em up and it will be a great comparison that could span the low-end all the way to the high-end: mx5 mazdaspeed, solstice GXP, s2000, M4 roadster, boxster S and the Elise.

John V · 01-22-2006, 09:52 PM

In terms of numbers, lots of cars are "close to the Elise."

In real life, nothing is close to the Elise but an Elise.

The S2000 engine is near the bottom of my list in terms of four-cylinders I'd like to own. The car is fun to drive, but that engine is the reason I own a Boxster instead of an S2k. 20 minutes in Ken's S2k and I have a headache from the constant thrashing of that motor. Somehow, didn't have any problems in an Elise, even after an hour plus freeway slog from Denver to Co. Springs.

ff · 01-22-2006, 09:59 PM

I drove the S2000 up to Valdosta (~230 miles) once. Once. Most definitely not a car you want to be driving any more than 50 miles at a time.

lemming · 01-23-2006, 09:03 AM

i think the world of the elise (okay, i'm lukewarm on the styling). it's not me being a 'mudgeon so much as giving atyboy some flak.

i wouldn't expect a lowest cost bidder 20k car to compete well with the 2nd/3rd generation Elise out of the box. if it did, that would be spectacular. but realize that the miata is going into its third generation and the Elise is also quite a mature platform. by golly, they had better have gotten it right by now.

the solstice is damn good out of the box. that's the first thing. the second is that it will just get better. unlike BMW with its z3 and then z4, where the case study was right there sitting in front of them and they still missed the side of the barn (i.e. benchmarking the boxster), the solstice is for most intents and purposes pretty darn close to the miata. that the bogey.

01-22-2006, 08:55 PM	#35
dan redefined Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 14,896	that's okay, mine's still a lot quicker __________________ "There's a freedom you begin to feel the closer you get to Austin, Texas." -Willie

01-23-2006, 09:03 AM	#39
lemming Western Anomaly Join Date: Oct 2003 Carmudgeonly Ride: White Orca Posts: 16,612	i think the world of the elise (okay, i'm lukewarm on the styling). it's not me being a 'mudgeon so much as giving atyboy some flak. i wouldn't expect a lowest cost bidder 20k car to compete well with the 2nd/3rd generation Elise out of the box. if it did, that would be spectacular. but realize that the miata is going into its third generation and the Elise is also quite a mature platform. by golly, they had better have gotten it right by now. the solstice is damn good out of the box. that's the first thing. the second is that it will just get better. unlike BMW with its z3 and then z4, where the case study was right there sitting in front of them and they still missed the side of the barn (i.e. benchmarking the boxster), the solstice is for most intents and purposes pretty darn close to the miata. that the bogey. __________________

01-22-2006, 09:52 PM	#37
John V No more BMWs Join Date: Apr 2005 Carmudgeonly Ride: Ram, MS3, CX-5, RX-8 Location: Glenwood, MD Posts: 14,753	In terms of numbers, lots of cars are "close to the Elise." In real life, nothing is close to the Elise but an Elise. The S2000 engine is near the bottom of my list in terms of four-cylinders I'd like to own. The car is fun to drive, but that engine is the reason I own a Boxster instead of an S2k. 20 minutes in Ken's S2k and I have a headache from the constant thrashing of that motor. Somehow, didn't have any problems in an Elise, even after an hour plus freeway slog from Denver to Co. Springs.

01-22-2006, 09:59 PM	#38
ff . Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 13,514	I drove the S2000 up to Valdosta (~230 miles) once. Once. Most definitely not a car you want to be driving any more than 50 miles at a time.