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JST · 07-17-2021, 06:19 PM

Cool.

JST · 07-18-2021, 10:27 AM

I really don’t understand any of the points you’re making, Clyde, or how they have anything to do with what I thought was a fairly harmless story about having fun driving on a back road, which you spent several days trying to pick apart.

Yes, the Lexus sold better than the Infiniti. Yes, Alan is correct that many people thought the Infiniti was the better driver’s car. Your view on that was well inside the mainstream, but Lexus obviously built a better mousetrap in terms of what the market wanted.

As far as I can tell, that has nothing to do with the Tesla v Taycan comparison, except maybe the argument is that the Taycan is like the Lexus? Or maybe you’re saying it’s like the Infiniti? I mean, people love driving it and maybe you will too? But the comparison tells us nothing because the Taycan and Model 3 aren’t even really in the same market.

I guess I don’t have much to add on any of this. I think Clyde will look for any excuse to shit on anything having to do with Teslas. That’s fine. Like I said, if you don’t like the company (and there’s plenty to not like), you don’t need to buy the car. You don’t even need to drive the car to give it a chance.

For anyone else who might have a slightly more open mind, I return to my point above: the Model 3 is a fun car to drive. In many ways, it’s more fun than the Taycan 4S. The things that make it fun are different than the things that make a random list of other cars fun.

It is far from perfect. It has some super annoying quirks having to do with controls. It’s still a 4K pound sedan, so it’s not exactly “tossable.” It doesn’t make noise (something the C/D review seems weirdly hung up on), though as I’ve tried to point out, absence of noise brings its own offsetting pleasures. Even apart from the dumb bullshit the company does, it can be polarizing.

But it’s still a lot of fun. And I have a very hard time identifying a car in this segment that is better for the money, regardless of powertrain.

wdc330i · 07-18-2021, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by JST

I really don’t understand any of the points you’re making, Clyde, or how they have anything to do with what I thought was a fairly harmless story about having fun driving on a back road, which you spent several days trying to pick apart.

Yes, the Lexus sold better than the Infiniti. Yes, Alan is correct that many people thought the Infiniti was the better driver’s car. Your view on that was well inside the mainstream, but Lexus obviously built a better mousetrap in terms of what the market wanted.

As far as I can tell, that has nothing to do with the Tesla v Taycan comparison, except maybe the argument is that the Taycan is like the Lexus? Or maybe you’re saying it’s like the Infiniti? I mean, people love driving it and maybe you will too? But the comparison tells us nothing because the Taycan and Model 3 aren’t even really in the same market.

I guess I don’t have much to add on any of this. I think Clyde will look for any excuse to shit on anything having to do with Teslas. That’s fine. Like I said, if you don’t like the company (and there’s plenty to not like), you don’t need to buy the car. You don’t even need to drive the car to give it a chance.

For anyone else who might have a slightly more open mind, I return to my point above: the Model 3 is a fun car to drive. In many ways, it’s more fun than the Taycan 4S. The things that make it fun are different than the things that make a random list of other cars fun.

It is far from perfect. It has some super annoying quirks having to do with controls. It’s still a 4K pound sedan, so it’s not exactly “tossable.” It doesn’t make noise (something the C/D review seems weirdly hung up on), though as I’ve tried to point out, absence of noise brings its own offsetting pleasures. Even apart from the dumb bullshit the company does, it can be polarizing.

But it’s still a lot of fun. And I have a very hard time identifying a car in this segment that is better for the money, regardless of powertrain.

Have you driven a Model Y? Wondering how it compares in fun factor to the 3. ZBB could probably say...

*clyde* · 07-18-2021, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by JST

I think Clyde will look for any excuse to shit on anything having to do with Teslas.

I really don’t understand any of the points you’re making, Clyde

I wonder how much of the former influences the latter.

How did the conversation go from you describing an enjoyable drive to here? Setting aside the "sizzle" thing that inadvertently got it started, you made a claim that an EV's instant torque can be appreciated way more frequently than a taut chassis. I said I was skeptical, but held out that I couldn't be sure without living with both as you have.

From there, it seems like you won't be satisfied with anything less than my agreement that Tesla is better.

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Taycan and Model 3 aren’t even really in the same market

As someone with* a history of cross shopping anemic all wheel drive station wagons with Corvettes, I do not share that view, either.

JST · 07-18-2021, 11:35 AM

I haven’t driven a Y but the universal reaction seems to be that it’s less fun than the 3, which makes sense.

If I were looking at a Y, I’d think carefully about a Mach E instead; but I’d want to drive both.

wdc330i · 07-18-2021, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by JST

I haven’t driven a Y but the universal reaction seems to be that it’s less fun than the 3, which makes sense.

If I were looking at a Y, I’d think carefully about a Mach E instead; but I’d want to drive both.

Ex has the Y and complains about its high center of gravity making it less fun to drive. That's likely the critical difference versus the 3...

ZBB · 07-18-2021, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by JST

I haven’t driven a Y but the universal reaction seems to be that it’s less fun than the 3, which makes sense.

If I were looking at a Y, I’d think carefully about a Mach E instead; but I’d want to drive both.

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Originally Posted by wdc330i

Ex has the Y and complains about its high center of gravity making it less fun to drive. That's likely the critical difference versus the 3...

Overall I like my wife’s Y better than my 3 (more upright seating and flexibility from a hatch), but the 3 definitely drives better. You do notice the higher COG in turns. It’s not bad compared to other SUVS. I have the optional 19” sport tires on my 3, while my wife has the base 19’s on her Y - which are higher profile, so I think part of the cornering feel has to do with the tires…

John V · 07-20-2021, 07:09 AM

Everyone here told me that the driving experience of the Y would be just as good as the 3 because all the weight was in the batteries, way down low.

ZBB · 07-20-2021, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by John V

Everyone here told me that the driving experience of the Y would be just as good as the 3 because all the weight was in the batteries, way down low.

It is low, but it is higher than the 3. Compared to other crossovers, it’s much lower. But compared to the 3, it’s noticeable…

Alan · 10-24-2022, 05:07 PM

I was away a couple of weeks ago and was happy to see the hotel had a few chargers on the premises. It actually gave me some hope until I realized that it would be roughly a 270 mile drive and I would have had to stop on the way anyway because I would not want to take the chance of using all of the battery especially considering the factors of heated seats, or AC, cold weather (which reduces the miles) and driving at speeds of 80mph might reduce it as well.

Anyway I wanted to know if this charger is good for all cars or only a Tesla ... the reason I mention the Tesla is because i had seen one using it.

10-24-2022, 05:07 PM	#10
Alan Carmudgeon Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 4,705	I was away a couple of weeks ago and was happy to see the hotel had a few chargers on the premises. It actually gave me some hope until I realized that it would be roughly a 270 mile drive and I would have had to stop on the way anyway because I would not want to take the chance of using all of the battery especially considering the factors of heated seats, or AC, cold weather (which reduces the miles) and driving at speeds of 80mph might reduce it as well. Anyway I wanted to know if this charger is good for all cars or only a Tesla ... the reason I mention the Tesla is because i had seen one using it. Attached Thumbnails

07-17-2021, 06:19 PM	#1
JST 195 Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 24,656	Cool.

07-18-2021, 10:27 AM	#2
JST 195 Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 24,656	I really don’t understand any of the points you’re making, Clyde, or how they have anything to do with what I thought was a fairly harmless story about having fun driving on a back road, which you spent several days trying to pick apart. Yes, the Lexus sold better than the Infiniti. Yes, Alan is correct that many people thought the Infiniti was the better driver’s car. Your view on that was well inside the mainstream, but Lexus obviously built a better mousetrap in terms of what the market wanted. As far as I can tell, that has nothing to do with the Tesla v Taycan comparison, except maybe the argument is that the Taycan is like the Lexus? Or maybe you’re saying it’s like the Infiniti? I mean, people love driving it and maybe you will too? But the comparison tells us nothing because the Taycan and Model 3 aren’t even really in the same market. I guess I don’t have much to add on any of this. I think Clyde will look for any excuse to shit on anything having to do with Teslas. That’s fine. Like I said, if you don’t like the company (and there’s plenty to not like), you don’t need to buy the car. You don’t even need to drive the car to give it a chance. For anyone else who might have a slightly more open mind, I return to my point above: the Model 3 is a fun car to drive. In many ways, it’s more fun than the Taycan 4S. The things that make it fun are different than the things that make a random list of other cars fun. It is far from perfect. It has some super annoying quirks having to do with controls. It’s still a 4K pound sedan, so it’s not exactly “tossable.” It doesn’t make noise (something the C/D review seems weirdly hung up on), though as I’ve tried to point out, absence of noise brings its own offsetting pleasures. Even apart from the dumb bullshit the company does, it can be polarizing. But it’s still a lot of fun. And I have a very hard time identifying a car in this segment that is better for the money, regardless of powertrain.

07-18-2021, 11:35 AM	#5
JST 195 Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 24,656	I haven’t driven a Y but the universal reaction seems to be that it’s less fun than the 3, which makes sense. If I were looking at a Y, I’d think carefully about a Mach E instead; but I’d want to drive both.

07-20-2021, 07:09 AM	#8
John V No more BMWs Join Date: Apr 2005 Carmudgeonly Ride: Ram, MS3, CX-5, RX-8 Location: Glenwood, MD Posts: 14,753	Everyone here told me that the driving experience of the Y would be just as good as the 3 because all the weight was in the batteries, way down low.