Had a blowout Friday morning

ff · 10-02-2005, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Nick M3

No, it was driver incompetence that flipped all those exploders.

That, coupled with the most easily upset + soft + bouncy suspension anywhere on the planet.

blee · 10-02-2005, 06:05 PM

C&D ran a test a few years ago in the midst of the Exploder fiasco. They essentially rigged a tire to completely deflate on command and sent a brave report down a dragstrip. The result was that the Ford remained tractable and controllable after the "blowout," even at high speeds with both hands off the steering wheel. They concluded that blowout-related rollovers were most likely the result of panicked drivers, not an inherent design flaw in the car. Of course, that doesn't recuse Ford from recommending tire pressures too low to properly support the vehicle.

Nick M3 · 10-02-2005, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by blee

C&D ran a test a few years ago in the midst of the Exploder fiasco. They essentially rigged a tire to completely deflate on command and sent a brave report down a dragstrip. The result was that the Ford remained tractable and controllable after the "blowout," even at high speeds with both hands off the steering wheel. They concluded that blowout-related rollovers were most likely the result of panicked drivers, not an inherent design flaw in the car. Of course, that doesn't recuse Ford from recommending tire pressures too low to properly support the vehicle.

It all comes down to morons jerking the wheel. Small wonder most of the fatalities came from people who wouldn't wear seat belts. If you're too stupid to wear a belt, you're too stupid to drive.

lip277 · 10-02-2005, 10:43 PM

Sorry to see that tire. You're pretty lucky. Looks like you saved the wheel.

Two weeks after I got the Yukon (in 2000), I wasn't quite as lucky....

I was running an errand at lunch hour and was going ~75 on the freeway when all hell broke loose. <BOOM>
Right front tire.
I was actually pretty pleased how the truck behaved. Nothing major - Just a mild "I want to drift right" feeling but I remained in control.

And - Yes. The tires were Firestone. It was right in the middle of the Explorer mess.
Firestone was happy to make me happy.
I got a set of Bridgestone Dueler HL's out of it - N/C.

My insurance took care of the wheel.

Scared the &^%$ out of me for ~20 seconds but all was OK in the end.

*Plaz* · 10-03-2005, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by lip277

Sorry to see that tire. You're pretty lucky. Looks like you saved the wheel.

Two weeks after I got the Yukon (in 2000), I wasn't quite as lucky....

Yikes!!

Rob · 10-03-2005, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by blee

C&D ran a test a few years ago in the midst of the Exploder fiasco. They essentially rigged a tire to completely deflate on command and sent a brave report down a dragstrip. The result was that the Ford remained tractable and controllable after the "blowout," even at high speeds with both hands off the steering wheel. They concluded that blowout-related rollovers were most likely the result of panicked drivers, not an inherent design flaw in the car. Of course, that doesn't recuse Ford from recommending tire pressures too low to properly support the vehicle.

Yeah, but their "study" was about as un-scientific as you can get and pretty much worthless. Made good reading though.

Blowouts in the explorers didn't happen on dragstrips with professional drivers going in straight lines. They happened on the highway when they were going around curves or switching lanes and required correction. I read a report once from a guy that races on the weekends (I don't remember what, but it wasn't a full time job) that said the snap fish tail caused by his explorer blowout was the fastest he had ever dealt with and considered himself lucky that he managed to catch it.

I think those stupid things are prone to roll. Sure, the cell phone use during the blowout contributed to a lot of roll overs, as did other types of driver idiocy. Still, I think they should have to go fairly significant tests to find out if they are prone to roll before they are sold. But I especially think that Car and Driver's test was completely worthless and unscientifical.

Plaz, glad you are ok. Sorry to see the tire go. Espcecially one of those friggin expensive ones.

*Plaz* · 10-03-2005, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by rwg

Plaz, glad you are ok. Sorry to see the tire go. Espcecially one of those friggin expensive ones.

Thanks. Yeah, I really didn't need to cough up $200+ for a freaking tire this week. I'm hoping the difference in tread depth between the two back wheels doens't cause any feel issues.

ff · 10-03-2005, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Plaz

Thanks. Yeah, I really didn't need to cough up $200+ for a freaking tire this week. I'm hoping the difference in tread depth between the two back wheels doens't cause any feel issues.

I wonder what it'll do as far as the electronic "LSD" is concerned? Will the computer think that the one wheel is constantly slipping, since the one side is turning at a slower RPM?

*Plaz* · 10-04-2005, 04:54 PM

Just got back from the garage with the new tire mounted.

Haven't pushed it at all yet, but it feels fine... obviously, there was no rim damage as they were able to balance it without difficulty.

Whew.

*Plaz* · 10-09-2005, 03:50 PM

So my brand new tire went flat.

There was a pointy piece of metal in the tread... it *almost* looks like the point of a knife that got snapped off, but not quite.

The coincidence is awfully odd, though... I'm starting to wonder if someone is doing this to me intentionally. I really don't have any enemies I know of, though, so it would be pretty odd for someone to do this.

I drove at least 3 or 4 miles on it with little or no air in the tire... while the hole could probably be patched, I don't know if I've destroyed my sidewalls or not by driving on it. Will the dude be able to tell?

I really don't want to have to drop *another* $200+ to replace a brand new tire.

10-02-2005, 10:43 PM	#4
lip277 The old cranky SOB.... Join Date: Oct 2003 Carmudgeonly Ride: several cars... way too many.... Location: Near Seattle Posts: 4,798	Sorry to see that tire. You're pretty lucky. Looks like you saved the wheel. Two weeks after I got the Yukon (in 2000), I wasn't quite as lucky.... I was running an errand at lunch hour and was going ~75 on the freeway when all hell broke loose. <BOOM> Right front tire. I was actually pretty pleased how the truck behaved. Nothing major - Just a mild "I want to drift right" feeling but I remained in control. And - Yes. The tires were Firestone. It was right in the middle of the Explorer mess. Firestone was happy to make me happy. I got a set of Bridgestone Dueler HL's out of it - N/C. My insurance took care of the wheel. Scared the &^%$ out of me for ~20 seconds but all was OK in the end. Attached Thumbnails __________________ *Kevin* 1970 2800CS - - 2001 740iL - - 2006 997.1 - - 2012 Escalade 1968 Mustang GT Convertible - - 2003 Ford F250 PSD - - 1985 728i

10-04-2005, 04:54 PM	#9
Plaz ••••••• Join Date: Oct 2003 Carmudgeonly Ride: '11 1M Location: Churzee Posts: 17,741	Just got back from the garage with the new tire mounted. Haven't pushed it at all yet, but it feels fine... obviously, there was no rim damage as they were able to balance it without difficulty. Whew. __________________ 2011 1M

10-09-2005, 03:50 PM	#10
Plaz ••••••• Join Date: Oct 2003 Carmudgeonly Ride: '11 1M Location: Churzee Posts: 17,741	So my brand new tire went flat. There was a pointy piece of metal in the tread... it almost looks like the point of a knife that got snapped off, but not quite. The coincidence is awfully odd, though... I'm starting to wonder if someone is doing this to me intentionally. I really don't have any enemies I know of, though, so it would be pretty odd for someone to do this. I drove at least 3 or 4 miles on it with little or no air in the tire... while the hole could probably be patched, I don't know if I've destroyed my sidewalls or not by driving on it. Will the dude be able to tell? I really don't want to have to drop another $200+ to replace a brand new tire. __________________ 2011 1M

10-02-2005, 06:05 PM	#2
blee Doctor Mudgeon Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 6,433	C&D ran a test a few years ago in the midst of the Exploder fiasco. They essentially rigged a tire to completely deflate on command and sent a brave report down a dragstrip. The result was that the Ford remained tractable and controllable after the "blowout," even at high speeds with both hands off the steering wheel. They concluded that blowout-related rollovers were most likely the result of panicked drivers, not an inherent design flaw in the car. Of course, that doesn't recuse Ford from recommending tire pressures too low to properly support the vehicle.