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Old 01-31-2014, 02:13 PM   #1
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Thoughs on Cheap Sporty Cars (thread break)

So as not to clog up the Corvette vs 911 discussionin this thread, I figured I'd break this response out into it's own thread.


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Originally Posted by lemming View Post
to be fair, GM threw the gauntlet down by saying that they used the 911 continuously as a benchmark throughout C7 testing --so, whatever qualms we have about the money, they started the discussion long before anyone else did.

for the cars you listed, i'd be curious as to your feedback as well as that in print.

As for some of the cars on my list? I'm rather biased toward the Miata and don't have seat time with the other cars. I don't just randomly go out on test drives unless I'm actually in the market and I'm not in the market and won't be for a while. Too much of a hassle dealing with dealership BS just to go out on a random test drive.

So these thoughts are based on bench driving and impressions I've developed based on reading I've done.

That being said, I like sports / sporty car. Preferably something more basic and light. High HP numbers aren't as important to me as whether or not a car is fun to drive (did I mention I drive a Maita?) even though, all else being equal, sure, moar power is good! I also prefer a more compact platform as they feel more nimble (at least in my head if no where else).

My wife really dislikes our Miata. It "works" within our family line up now but . . . it's a small car that only seats 2 people reducing it's usefulness. 97%+ of the time it's not an issue. But on occasion it'd be nice to pick up my wife and son without having to swap cars around. So, it's replacement down the road might be something with a bit more practicality (4 seats).


Miata (a starting point)
Had one before (NB) and really liked it but for two issue: cowl shake and it needed a little more power. The NC fixes my two issues. It has about 20-25% more power / torque and it's accessible a little lower in the RPM range making the car better suited for the street. And the chassis is ~47% stiffer . . . which after two years I've not noticed the cowl shake. Suffice to say, after two years and 30,000 miles of driving it, I'm still LOVING my NC Miata. It puts a big grin on my face when I get into it and I can do that a fair amount in daily driving (that whole driving a slow car fast thing). I don't want to give it up.

BUT

I'm also VERY much looking forward to see what Mazda comes up with for the ND Maita. Even though I'm probably 5+ years out from getting a replacement car. Good thing I love what I have.

BRZ / FR-S
Very intrigued by these cars as they are right up my alley. Enough power to have fun. Good suspension / chassis design. And they look really good, too. Oh, and RWD. The back seat . . . would be handy at times. Yet when I sat in one at the dealership (as we were Forester shopping) my reaction to being inside one was "meh." Actually, the more I see the interior, the more it looks shitty. Not saying that the Miata is all that special but it seems much nicer to me (hard plastics and all) than the BRZ / FR-S. And acceleration wise . . . it's effectively the same as the Miata.

WRX
Interested in this as it's close to an STi power wise but much cheaper, has AWD, available with a stick, in a 5-door hatch back form factor which I dig for the practicality, and looks kind of cool with sub-6 second acceleration 0-60. After getting our Forester and seeing what that's like it's gotten me more interested in Subaru as a brand. But, damn, the car seems huge (after coming from a Miata). not sure I could get used to that even though everything is relative.

Focus ST
I'm really liking this a lot. I think it's one of the best looking hatches on the market right now. The styling looks fantastic. And it's great to see Ford making something very competitive in this segment. But it's FWD which I've never liked. I'd prefer RWD, AWD, or 4WD depending on application. Maybe the FWD characteristics in the FoST aren't noticeable . . . Anyways, the drivetrain layout is a main thing that tamps down my interest in this car.

Fiesta ST
Lighter hatch back with a turbo engine? Sweet. This sounds like the beesknees right now but I don't like the styling nearly as much as the Focus. If I was getting a Ford hot hatch it'd be the FoST, probably.

Mazdaspeed3
Love Mazda and many of their cars. So I'm drawn to the Speed3 which I think is a really good deal on paper. . . but it's FWD only. So I have the same hang-ups on the Mazdaspeed3 as I do with the FoST and FiST.

GTI
I'm not that familiar with VW's line up but the GTI looks interesting. Their R32 or R20 or which ever definitely piques my interest much more but . . . . damn if those cars aren't pricey. Like the WRX vs STi I'm not sure it's worth the extra coin to go up to the higher performance model. But I'm also not crazy about FWD.

Mustang
Bwahahaha. Doubt this would ever happen but . . . the new Mustang I find really interesting. I like the design work even if it's not more EVOS-like as I'd been really hoping for. Given how the FoST and FiST turned out, I'm very curious to see how Ford tuned the Mustang's chassis with the switch to IRS. Oh, and V8. Fuck, if there isn't something magical sounding about American V8's. It's like . . . simply perfection in nation . . . as if that's how an engine should sound. But I'm not sure I'd pony up for a V8. Our car budgets are much more modest these days (despite higher earning that we have in the past with the prospect of reduced day care costs in the next year or two). It's just not where we want to sink a lot of our money these day. Even me.

Genesis Coupe
Sounds good on paper but it leaves me cold and is almost never on my mind. Not sure why I even thought about it now. But it can be had with a 300 hp V6, seats 4, stick, and has ok handling. Styling isn't horrible but more just blah. I don't really like blah.

Upcoming
Very much interested to see what comes out on the market in a few years. Kia's Stinger GT 4 REALLY got my attension. I love the styling, very sleak and elegant. And it's along the same lines as the BRZ / FR-S in terms of cheap(ish) RWD sports car. More please.

Nissan had a retro Datsun-like thing that look pretty good. . . modern E30-ish that seemed like it'd be sporty and seat four. I don't normally like sedan formats (if it's not a sports car, might as well have the practicality of a hatch). But it looked good.
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