Tesla Model 3 v BMW M3 -- M3 v M3

[JST]

Originally Posted by Josh (PA)

interesting write up, thanks for sharing. I should drive a model3 sometime. It probably would make the perfect daily driver for my wife. The only thing it wouldn't do well for us is get to the lake, but we take the dog all the time anyway, so we'd want a wagon/SUV in our stable for genral hauling duties regardless.

I'm interested in the answer to 'kogs' question above re: comparable insurance costs.
I'll also mention re: I-drive; have you tried the voice commands? On my friends new to him '15 335, you can just hit the button say "enter address xxxxxxxxx" and it nails it just about every time. It works quite well, and is worlds easier than using the I-drive input.

I haven’t tried the voice commands—I should, though I remain really self-conscious about talking to my car for whatever reason.

Re: insurance: the M3 is about $75 more every six months than the Tesla.

[robg]

On twisty backroads which do you prefer?

[rumatt]

Originally Posted by robg

On twisty backroads which do you prefer?

[clyde]

Originally Posted by ZBB

Don’t you have a house?

What I have, what you have...not the point at all.

For people that live in an apartment or those that must park on city streets [like lots, and lots, and lots of people], I suggest [doing a lot of pain in the ass extra work because Tesla only has answers for a select portion of the population]

I know you dig Tesla and that's cool. Tesla works for you because you have all the pieces to make Tesla work for you. Most people on this board do. We are not like most people in the US that want or need cars. And certainly not like most people around the world.

[JST]

I honestly don’t understand why you shit on Tesla so much for this. Of any company anywhere in the world, they’re the ones that have done by far the most to make electric travel accessible to people that don’t have their own charging solution at home.


There are lots of people for whom even Teslas won’t be convenient. Point taken. There are also lots of people who think Teslas won’t be convenient, but who are wrong. I’m not interested in trying to convince the first group to buy a Tesla, only the second.

[rumatt]

Originally Posted by clyde

We are not like most people in the US that want or need cars. And certainly not like most people around the world.

And you keep interjecting this topic into a thread about the comparative performance of two vehicle because.....?

Next time someone reviews the garage floor sealant they used, should the thread become about not everyone in the world having garages?

[John V]

Originally Posted by rumatt

Damn, he is a true Tesla fanboy.

Here's a video talking about the induction vs permanent magnet motors - once you get past the first 2 minutes of fart noises.

https://youtu.be/XzspO4-T7t4

That video was actually pretty good but it also highlights some of the things I truly hate about Tesla, like the stupid fart noise app. I realize you can just ignore it and not use it, but what a waste of time to put that into the UI of the car.

I haven't driven a 3 yet. I really want to, but at the same time I don't. Selling the Boxster and the Mazda and replacing it with a 3 is a cost I'm just not interested in taking on right now. My waffling on this has a period of about two weeks, and I'm in a low on that waveform right now. A couple weeks ago when it was 100 degrees outside and I was sitting in traffic in a convertible with the top up I was pretty close to pulling the trigger. Last night, driving home from work early in the evening with the sun setting, the top down and 75 degree air wafting through the cockpit... Not so much.

[wdc330i]

Originally Posted by John V

Last night, driving home from work early in the evening with the sun setting, the top down and 75 degree air wafting through the cockpit... Not so much.

Right? Nothing can put you in the moment quite like a convertible. That’s what makes them so addictive, despite the fact that they are imperfect all-around vehicles.

[rumatt]

Originally Posted by John V

Last night, driving home from work early in the evening with the sun setting, the top down and 75 degree air wafting through the cockpit... Not so much.

When winter hits it isn't the best time for EVs either. My range drops like 30%. And the battery is used while it sits because it doesn't let the battery freeze.

Being able to pre-warm the car (and seats) from your phone is nice though.

[John V]

Originally Posted by rumatt

When winter hits it isn't the best time for EVs either. My range drops like 30%. And the battery is used while it sits because it doesn't let the battery freeze.

Being able to pre-warm the car (and seats) from your phone is nice though.

Yeah but here's the thing with that. It would live in a climate controlled garage at home, and work is only 25 miles each way. So even if I had one of the midrange cars, I'd have plenty of range that I wouldn't have to pay the insane fees to charge at work. And in the winter, Marisa and I don't do any of the long trips that would tax the range that much.