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[Nick M3]

Originally Posted by zach

Both of these points factored into our decision to lease the X7, though primarily the latter. We were pretty sure we would rotate it out in 3 years once the warranty was up so it was sort of a no-brainer.

I don't think we'd lease a 911 though. We barely hit 10-11k miles per year on the X7 so any 2nd vehicle isn't really going to rack up any meaningful mileage. Still focused on used 991.2s but am looking forward to checking out the 992.2 when it comes out.

I mean, it's an option to buy. If you like it at the end of the lease, buy then. As long as your interest rate is comparable, it's not a meaningful difference - basically a different amortization schedule.

[lemming]

Originally Posted by robg

Yup. If they truly wanted to make the T or GTS special they'd use that motor instead. Unless and until they do that these 2 models are just glorified options packages.

Yep.

The counter-argument as a PRO for the GTS is that it is basically the closest to the 911 Turbo you can get also equipped with a manual.

I think both are pretty neat options packages.

I am second guessing the GTS because it’s basically an ECU tuned S —and I don’t know if that is worth the money to me. so you spend $190k on a GTS but you’re still asking yourself why you don’t have the Turbo S or the GT3? Or the GT4 RS? As an enthusiast that is one twisted set of deliberations. But whereas I used to go for the GTS “value proposition” now I’m old, time is short, and I’ll go for the GT3 time and time again.

The T is a wildcard to me. I love what I have. I’m sure the 992 T is even better. Real price is $130-140k. Let’s be honest.

And the real price for a Carrera S is 160-180k.

It’s probably a personal decision at that point and what else you’re driving and how the potential 911 fits into that mix.

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I suspect this is nice… stock photo. 2022 Porsche 911 GT3 with Touring Package, Paint to Sample: Azzuro Thetys Metallic, Leather Interior in Black with Fabric Seat Centers and GT Silver Stitching, Manual. $191,880

https://finder.porsche.com/us/en-US/...age-new-P6D0EK

[robg]

Originally Posted by SCA

I suspect this is nice… stock photo. 2022 Porsche 911 GT3 with Touring Package, Paint to Sample: Azzuro Thetys Metallic, Leather Interior in Black with Fabric Seat Centers and GT Silver Stitching, Manual. $191,880

https://finder.porsche.com/us/en-US/...age-new-P6D0EK

Does that mean that msrp is the actual dealer asking price? Or is it just showing msrp because it’s on a Porsche website.


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[SCA]

Originally Posted by robg

Does that mean that msrp is the actual dealer asking price? Or is it just showing msrp because it’s on a Porsche website.


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Guessing option B, BUT it is in Mobile, Alabama so who knows. I have noticed more and more new GT3 and GT3 T availability. Buyers flaking?

[lemming]

Originally Posted by SCA

Guessing option B, BUT it is in Mobile, Alabama so who knows. I have noticed more and more new GT3 and GT3 T availability. Buyers flaking?

I’m going to guess that once you engage with the dealer, they will alert you that it’s an additional “fee” to buy the car.

There’s several dealers who do this, of which Porsche LA Downtown and Porsche San Diego are the most….um…notorious.

Porsche San Diego will, for example, list a new car inbound on their site and list the MSRP.

But if you inquire about the car, they will educate you that how it works is whoever bids the highest will get the car.

*meaning bids the highest over dealer ADM.

Just to properly set the reality distortion here.

[SCA]

Originally Posted by lemming

I’m going to guess that once you engage with the dealer, they will alert you that it’s an additional “fee” to buy the car.

There’s several dealers who do this, of which Porsche LA Downtown and Porsche San Diego are the most….um…notorious.

Porsche San Diego will, for example, list a new car inbound on their site and list the MSRP.

But if you inquire about the car, they will educate you that how it works is whoever bids the highest will get the car.

*meaning bids the highest over dealer ADM.

Just to properly set the reality distortion here.

Your L.A. versus this L.A. (Lower Alabama) is a totally different environment though. There might be a ADM, but I suspect it is not nearly as significant.

Again, our dealer in Knoxville does not add a ADM to any new Porsche, including GT cars and they are the #7 dealer in the country per PCNA.

[Jeff_DML]

Originally Posted by SCA

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Again, our dealer in Knoxville does not add a ADM to any new Porsche, including GT cars and they are the #7 dealer in the country per PCNA.

very nice, everyone should buy their Porsche from them

[robg]

Originally Posted by SCA

Your L.A. versus this L.A. (Lower Alabama) is a totally different environment though. There might be a ADM, but I suspect it is not nearly as significant.

Again, our dealer in Knoxville does not add a ADM to any new Porsche, including GT cars and they are the #7 dealer in the country per PCNA.

Given the amount of money at stake with these cars I would think its effectively a national market at this point. (If you could really buy no ADM cars from a dealer in Alabama some broker would quickly figure this out and take advantage).

From some comments they've made on the "spikes car radio" podcast it sounds like Spike Feresten and Jerry Seinfeld are now buying some of their Porsches from a dealer in Florida. So if VIP level customers like that are shopping cross country...it doesnt' seem like there's hope for "common folk" trying to score no ADM deals.

[lemming]

Originally Posted by SCA

Your L.A. versus this L.A. (Lower Alabama) is a totally different environment though. There might be a ADM, but I suspect it is not nearly as significant.

Again, our dealer in Knoxville does not add a ADM to any new Porsche, including GT cars and they are the #7 dealer in the country per PCNA.

Yeah, I do believe there are always exceptions. And I fully accept this.

There are allocations to be had across the country, and I think a little effort will unearth them.

I’m more old school in that a relationship with my local dealer has proven to help me in many ways we often do not anticipate. In terms of discounting everything and anything because it’s a business relationship (service, parts and PDE priority and value). I agree that you could build that buying abroad and then bringing that AL car back into the CA ecosystem. And maybe I’m overly conflating this to be more important than it is.

I challenge any of us to reach out to the AL dealer to see what the drive off the lot price is. To robg’s point, I think it’s now a national market especially if you’re an out of state vulture.