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*clyde* · 01-14-2019, 03:42 PM

Why am I writing this? I don’t know. Probably because after three weeks of furlough, I have nothing better to do than argue on the Internet. Probably.

According to the 2017 American Housing Survey (via US Census) there are 121 million US households

According to the 2015 AHS (via US Dept of Energy):

63% of US households have a garage or carport
37% of renters have a garage or carport
70% of recent housing construction (2009-2014?) had garages

According to the 1997 AHS (old, but the stats probably haven’t changed much…Im too lazy to find latest version (via US Census)

76% of detached SFH have covered parking
46% of attached (duplexes, rowhouses, townhouses have covered parking
26% of multi-unit housing have covered parking
Up to 25% of housing without covered parking has no dedicated off street parking (not written clearly enough to decipher the splits of several housing types)
7.8 million households rely on street parking
40% of those without covered or offstreet parking report having 0 vehicles

University of Michigan study says there are an average of about 2 cars per household.

According to a garage organization and storage system manufacturer25% of Americans say their garages are so filled with junk, they can’t even put a car in them.

I'm sure there's more detailed data out there, but not sure where to find it and my interest is waning at this point in the post, but I'd imagine other factors impact the final picture of how many homes can support 1 (or 2?) EVs with daily charging today. Things ranging from a homeowner's willingness to be inconvenienced by having the wiring set up in their home (see rumatt's experience), people being able to fit their cars in their garages, to condo boards willingness to make investments (see the example of my brother's place in the other thread), to apartment complex ownership groups willingness to do the same for thousands of parking lot spaces at a time.

It all paints a picture for me that EVs are going to need a fast charging equivalent to gas stations to hit the tipping point. My conclusion is that an industry standard (whether jointly agreed by the industry or imposed by government) would make it happen a lot sooner and provide greater benefits to all (consumers, manufacturers, government, etc).

Maybe some kind of solar changing can be made to happen. Or cheap to install induction charging in lots, roads, and such, but that doesn't help current EV early adopters that are cutting the path for everyone else to follow.

01-14-2019, 03:42 PM	#6
clyde Chief title editor Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 26,599	Why am I writing this? I don’t know. Probably because after three weeks of furlough, I have nothing better to do than argue on the Internet. Probably. According to the 2017 American Housing Survey (via US Census) there are 121 million US households According to the 2015 AHS (via US Dept of Energy): 63% of US households have a garage or carport 37% of renters have a garage or carport 70% of recent housing construction (2009-2014?) had garages According to the 1997 AHS (old, but the stats probably haven’t changed much…Im too lazy to find latest version (via US Census) 76% of detached SFH have covered parking 46% of attached (duplexes, rowhouses, townhouses have covered parking 26% of multi-unit housing have covered parking Up to 25% of housing without covered parking has no dedicated off street parking (not written clearly enough to decipher the splits of several housing types) 7.8 million households rely on street parking 40% of those without covered or offstreet parking report having 0 vehicles University of Michigan study says there are an average of about 2 cars per household. According to a garage organization and storage system manufacturer25% of Americans say their garages are so filled with junk, they can’t even put a car in them. I'm sure there's more detailed data out there, but not sure where to find it and my interest is waning at this point in the post, but I'd imagine other factors impact the final picture of how many homes can support 1 (or 2?) EVs with daily charging today. Things ranging from a homeowner's willingness to be inconvenienced by having the wiring set up in their home (see rumatt's experience), people being able to fit their cars in their garages, to condo boards willingness to make investments (see the example of my brother's place in the other thread), to apartment complex ownership groups willingness to do the same for thousands of parking lot spaces at a time. It all paints a picture for me that EVs are going to need a fast charging equivalent to gas stations to hit the tipping point. My conclusion is that an industry standard (whether jointly agreed by the industry or imposed by government) would make it happen a lot sooner and provide greater benefits to all (consumers, manufacturers, government, etc). Maybe some kind of solar changing can be made to happen. Or cheap to install induction charging in lots, roads, and such, but that doesn't help current EV early adopters that are cutting the path for everyone else to follow. __________________ OH NOES!!!!!1 MY CAR HAS T3H UND3R5T33R5555!!!!!!1oneone!!!!11 Team WTF?! What are you gonna do?