Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 4 or Bridgestone Potenza RE980AS ??
If you had a sport sedan and want decent all-around grip/handling in all four seasons, which would you buy ??
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AS4, with the caveat that the one compromise on them is ride quality.
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Are Conti dsw not an option in your size?
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I've had 2 or 3 sets of Michelins on my E46 and I've been pretty happy with them. I think I tried Pirelli P-Zeros too, but I tend to like the Michelins just a touch better. |
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I’ve had the Michelin a/s on multiple cars and love them. When the Michelin PS4 tires run out on my new 4, I will replace them with the A/S whatevers.
They are as close as you can get to summers in an A/S. Caveat is, I don’t really know how well they do in anything but very light snow. |
I am not familiar with the Bridgestone tire you have here - but I have Mich PS A/S 4 on my E9, E38 and E23 currently (yeah - three cars with the same tire).
FYI - I have used that tire (or its earlier versions) on my E38's since 2003 or so. Probably about 400,000 miles all told. |
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I like the DWS a lot, but I'd be careful about how I compare it. |
I just bought Continental DWS06 for my E92 for everyday driving. I have a couple long drives next week, so I can report back after then. These replaced a combo of Michelin PS2s and Michelin runflats. I liked the feel on my 10 mile drive back from the tire shop.
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They do say that the Contis have a softer sidewall, which contributes for a better ride. Honestly, I don't mind the lesser ride quality of the Michelins; I would sacrifice quality over grip/safety, because there are a lot of idiot drivers here in NV, and I have jammed the binders numerous times to avoid collisions over the years. :lol: :lol: |
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Like yourself I technically tend to lean towards purchasing Michelins because the additional expense always seems to be well worth the investment. Edit: BTW, my parents have been running 20” Conti DWS on their ‘13 X5 50i since the run craps [flats] bit the dust. They love them and the newest version only got better. |
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It's just I had such good luck with Michelin Pilot Sport A/S tires in the past, that it would be difficult for me to switch. However, I'm a firm believer in "spreading the wealth", and judging from all the reviews I've read, may break my Michelin pattern and give these Contis a try. |
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This thread reminds me of my A/S vs Summer tire dilemma for the GTI. At least I am convinced now that I will get winter tires, but I do like the flexibility of on worrying about a random cold day. as the seasons turn. That and the comparative wear rate of PS4S vs A/S give me pause. This GTI will be driven a lot in the next few years. Likely over 15k/year, which is a lot for me.
Anyway, good discussion. Seems the DWS tires are great. |
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However, I really don't feel the ride of my E46 is that bad. I specifically ordered my car with the Premium Package and non-Sport suspension. Obviously, I valued ride quality over sportiness/handling at the time I ordered her. With the firmer Michelins, the ride is good enough for me. And with idiot drivers here in NV, I value traction (and my life) A LOT more. While I like to spread the wealth and try different brands, I'm also the type that like to stick with what works. That is why all of my large TVs are SONY. And most likely why I'll end up buying another set of Michelin Pilot Sport A/S .... |
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She's almost due for new shoes. They say the Cross Climate is one of the best tires, and I might try those instead. And yup, they're MIchelins as well, lol. |
I really should buy stock in Michelin ....
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So much for that idea, lol. I'll probably put the new version of Contis DWS 06 on my E46 instead of the Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 4, as originally planned. Never tried Contis before, and so far, all I've heard are good things about them. This will probably occur early next spring, and will resort to driving my 1/2-ton shod with BFG All-Terrain KO2s when the weather turns sour. |
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In the 20s overnight here these days; which means the same in the am when I schlep the kid to school. Luckily no precip at the same time yet. How about Buffalo, though? OMG! |
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Many use them here in the backcountry where the snow is a lot deeper than 6 feet. They just have to either change out the front skids to something wider for better float above the snow and the tracks with longer "paddles" for added traction. They just need access to their garage to get their sleds out ........ which is often buried in the white stuff. :lol: :lol: |
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Edit: and actually one of the summers is new, as the shop damaged one in the swap. |
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Best is the Michelin Pilot Sport summers swapped with Pilot Alpins, which I’ve also done. But, I am over the twice-a-year swap, and really don’t need it down here. I put the DWS on the e46 wagon once upon a time, and I liked them, too. Just prefer the harder-edged Michelins on my primary car. And not having to worry too much about driving around on the 20-degree days with a chance of precip is, well, priceless. I am Ok with a lot more compromises for practical reasons as I get older. Which is how I ended up with an AWD car with an automatic on all seasons. LOL. Not to mention the big-toothed grille and hatchback. I’ll leave it to my son to buy the M2 equivalent in his future. He has already been bitten by the bug. |
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I'm probably like 51% DWS/49% PS as of now, LOL. I've changed the tires of our Sienna recently from Michelin Primacy Tour A/S to Pirelli Scorpion A/S Plus 3. So far, I like them but haven't really tested them out in the rain or snow. Tire Rack has had good reviews, and Danica Patrick approved of them as well in a YouTube video. Hey, if it's good enough for Danica, it's good enough for me. :lol: :lol: |
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Which means that the side with the drive wheel (which I believe the right side) will wear faster than the non-drive wheel side. In addition, the Pirellis have a longer mile warranty. (I've had the Pirelli P-Zeros A/S before on my BMW and was pretty happy with their performance and durability). |
I'll just reiterate my support of the DWS series. The fact that they're ~$25/tire cheaper makes the decision way easier IMHO. It would probalby cover the cost of that drone you just bought ;) :lol:
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Honestly, I’ve yet to hear bad reviews about the DWS, so I’ll most likely give them a try. Michelin can’t be grabbing ALL my business, lol. |
I've had both the DW and DWS series. Not bad tires, but Michelins are noticeably better IMHO. Neither are great at snow.
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