718 GTS vs. 911 T
 

So this discussion doesn't get buried in the Autoblog trash heap.

http://forums.carmudgeons.com/showthread.php?t=149461

I would take the 911T since i still have use for the rear seats and prefer the sound of the 6 even though the Cayman is probably dynamically superior.

Edit: now after I wrote above I actually way prefer the T, if I had the money I might get but new Cayman has no interest to me. Actually I would prefer a used cayman with the 6 over a new one. Guess if you offered me a free new one or a used one I would probably take a new one:D

Cayman. Not even remotely close.

Yes!

I don't suppose there's a way to automatically promote spambot threads once someone has started a conversation, eh?

Clyde is always looking for something to do, right?

I'm really looking forward to test driving the 718 next week. While there are a lot of haters, there's a small group of folks who really like it.

This dealer has one Cayman they use as a loner. I couldn't use it this time because it's book the month out, but I might make an appointment for a squeak / rattle just as an excuse to bring the Cayman home for a day.

I've been window shopping 981 GTS boxsters over the last month or so. Seems like they are on the 'fair' end of the Porsche price fantasy.

The ones I saw on autotrader were still crack pipe pricing.

Another one but different vote

http://autoweek.com/article/car-revi...n=awdailydrive

I haven't driven the 718, but based on what I'm hearing from co-workers that have driven them, the engine ruins the car. Fast, but the power delivery really hurts the balance and fluidity that the Boxster/Cayman used to have.

For Rumatt: (the racing buckets were very uncomfortable, with no recline function -- don’t order them).

Referring to the 911T.

Edit: A $20k delta between the two is pretty significant.

yeah the delta is large but if I was paying $80k for a 718 then it seem not so much to me. Basically a more base level priced 918 seems the way to go for a 918 to me.

That's funny I was thinking the opposite plus on resale you'll get back a decent chunk of it.

:lol:

Nice.

That stimulates thought.

Okay. Someone whose car advice I prioritize above all others (my P mechanic) says the 718 Boxster S is probably the best car Porsche builds today.

The engine is proven and it handles the best.

10 out of 10 times he’d recommend to sell my car and to get one of those.

😳

:):D

So. Now curiosity is killing me.

I have to drive 718 and 718 S models.

The first is not as fun as the second...

On a scale of 1-10, how does each car rate?

It's been a year since I drove the non-S. Hmm. 6 to 8-9? Both were PDK, so that probably makes a big difference. I doubt I'd get the PDK in the non-S, but it feels just right in the S.

The Boxster is such a different style and feel from my dd, the M240. My car feels fast, light, and tossable, just all around fun and easy. The Boxster feels very Germanic--solid, precise, and powerful, almost menacing. Edit: I should mention that our 718s has the Sport Chrono option, GT steering wheel (with sport button on it) and power steering plus.

Here's a relevant thread, with some interesting bits: https://www.718forum.com/forum/2017-...-chrono-3.html

"From the Porsche website:
"The 718 Boxster S and 718 Cayman S come equipped with variable turbine geometry (VTG). Adjustable guide vanes on the turbine act to combine the benefits of a ‘small’ and a ‘large’ exhaust turbocharger. Derived from the proven 911 Turbo and adapted specifically for the 718 S models, this technology helps to deliver excellent responsiveness at low engine speeds and provide a high maximum power output."

And:
"The S performance is the way to go. These metrics are from Car and Driver instrumentation-based testing:

C/D TEST RESULTS FOR 718 CAYMAN S PDK
Zero to 60 mph: 3.6 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 8.7 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 15.2 sec
Zero to 150 mph: 22.8 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 4.4 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 2.5 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 2.9 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 12.0 sec @ 117 mph
Top speed (mfr's claim): 177 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 142 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 1.02 g

C/D TEST RESULTS FOR 718 CAYMAN PDK:

Zero to 60 mph: 3.9 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 9.6 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 17.5 sec
Zero to 150 mph: 27.6 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 5.1 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 2.9 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 3.1 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 12.4 sec @ 113 mph
Top speed (drag limited, mfr's claim): 171 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 146 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 1.00 g

C/D TEST RESULTS 718 CAYMAN MANUAL:
Zero to 60 mph: 4.3 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 10.5 sec
Zero to 120 mph: 15.5 sec
Zero to 150 mph: 27.8 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 6.1 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 10.2 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 6.5 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 12.8 sec @ 109 mph
Top speed (mfr's claim): 171 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 141 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 1.03 g"

And this from a Car and Driver write up:
VTG, another donation from the 911 Turbo (and notably absent in the new 911), imbues the Boxster S with sharper-seeming responses than the regular Boxster. The 2.5’s larger turbo runs up to 14.5 psi of boost, giving the 350-hp Boxster S a substantial 50 horsepower and 29 lb-ft torque advantage over the 2.0-liter car, whose smaller turbo nonetheless offers up to 20.3 psi of pressure. Both engines produce peak torque below 2000 rpm—280 lb-ft at 1950 rpm for the 2.0-liter and 309 at 1900 for the 2.5, and in each case the full twist is available through 4500 rpm before gently tapering off. Peak horsepower arrives at 6500 rpm for both engines, which rev to 7500 rpm.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...st-ride-review

While my guru swears the new engines here are battle tested, it’s the one thing that makes me nervous. Porsche has never done a first gen engine well.

Other than that these cars are blazingly fast, from the looks of it.

I have a new B58, so everything could blow up on us, I guess.

It's proven? What's the history of this engine?

Seems like the s is under stressed with the bigger displacement and vv turbo.

Edit: tune does not look as impressive as I expected. Maybe vv turbo is the issue.

http://www.cobbtuning.com/wp/app/upl...5_16-32-20.png

No kidding. :eek:

Jesus, the base models are running 12s in the 1/4?

Right?

That’s basically super car territory until 5 years ago.