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JST 11-24-2008 09:16 AM

Got my new snow tires
 
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I actually think these wheels look better than the stock BMW rims. They are a hell of a lot lighter, as well.

Weirdly, the make the car look a lot more black than the old wheels. Also too, a lot more M3ish.

zach 11-24-2008 09:20 AM

AWESOME.

EDIT: I want details, please.

TD 11-24-2008 09:48 AM

Oh jesus...

FC 11-24-2008 09:56 AM

Awesome. Me likey.

rumatt 11-24-2008 10:02 AM

http://meow.catsplz.com/cats/picture...-did-there.jpg

Plaz 11-24-2008 10:04 AM

http://www.ideachampions.com/weblogs/surprise.jpg

Sharp11 11-24-2008 10:18 AM

Haven't put mine on yet, but they look similar.

Last year ...

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2267/...146b7e1898.jpg

ff 11-24-2008 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Sharp11 (Post 209464)
Haven't put mine on yet

Me neither. I'm thinking that I'll probably wait and see whether I even need snow tires this winter...

Plaz 11-24-2008 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by rumatt (Post 209461)

:lol:

Plaz 11-24-2008 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Sharp11 (Post 209464)
Haven't put mine on yet, but they look similar.

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Originally Posted by ff (Post 209465)
Me neither. I'm thinking that I'll probably wait and see whether I even need snow tires this winter...

(psst: JST got something more than tires)

John V 11-24-2008 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by JST (Post 209454)
I actually think these wheels look better than the stock BMW rims. They are a hell of a lot lighter, as well.

Weirdly, the make the car look a lot more black than the old wheels. Also too, a lot more M3ish.

Weirdo.

And ... congrats?

Theo 11-24-2008 10:42 AM

Details!!!!

ff 11-24-2008 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Plaz (Post 209467)
(psst: JST got something more than tires)

Gah, I didn't look closely enough. :lol: Cool, JST!

lemming 11-24-2008 10:59 AM

gasp.

oh nos.

DSG?

equ 11-24-2008 11:06 AM

Congrats... It was time for an M. Thank god, I haven't test driven it they sound so good from the outside (or :eeps:).

Does it fit 17's for snows? I know the total diameter is a bit larger than the 3er's (same rears as cayman) so you may need a different winter set. Oh, the patience of waiting until March to feel the real handling of this car....

Josh (PA) 11-24-2008 11:18 AM

HOLY MOLY!!!!

Congrats. Can we get some more pictures along with some specs?

I put snows on the M3 Wednesday of last week. We woke up Friday monrning to 4" of snow and all we had at home was the M3, so for once putting the snows on early paid off.

FC 11-24-2008 11:18 AM

Part of me thinks I should get one of these and wait a few years for a sportscar. I've been resisting a test drive.

wdc330i 11-24-2008 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by equ (Post 209474)
Congrats... It was time for an M. Thank god, I haven't test driven it they sound so good from the outside (or :eeps:).

Does it fit 17's for snows? I know the total diameter is a bit larger than the 3er's (same rears as cayman) so you may need a different winter set. Oh, the patience of waiting until March to feel the real handling of this car....

Maybe JST needs to skip the winter tires and just buy a nice, fun, affordable winter 3 series....(Congrats, BTW!)

Josh (PA) 11-24-2008 11:24 AM

http://forums.carmudgeons.com/showpo...&postcount=104

equ 11-24-2008 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by wdc330i (Post 209484)
Maybe JST needs to skip the winter tires and just buy a nice, fun, affordable winter 3 series....(Congrats, BTW!)

I think he already has a winter set on. Being a tire/wheel OCD person, I was concerned that he'd use the 3er set so I was obsessing on the sizes.

lemming 11-24-2008 11:38 AM

keen on contrast with 3.0tt.

JST 11-24-2008 12:10 PM

It's an '08. It's specced almost precisely the way I would have ordered one: Jet black, black interior, black carbon fiber leather trim, CWP, PP, moon roof and (amazingly) rear sun shades. The one option it has that I wouldn't have gotten is nav, so I am suffering with iDrive--it's bad, but not as bad as Audi's system.

This was a car that the dealer had to pull from another store, so I got a decent but unspectacular deal on the cap cost. It's a lease, which means I got BMW's 0.00025 MF--that's 0.6 percent interest, which is pretty hard to beat. Two year residuals were terrible, but three year numbers weren't so bad. If I like this car, I may end up just buying it out--the total amount of interest/rental I'm paying over the life of the lease is less than $1000.

Compared to the 335? Puttering around town, there's not THAT much difference. This car actually has a higher-strung engine, so at part throttle in a highish gear it's not quite as punchy as the twin turbo. Just taking it easy, there's a bit more gear whine, the clutch is a bit sharper on engagement, and the shifter is a tad heavier. The engine is kind of touchy until it has some heat in it; in the cold, it's a bit stumbly. Oh, and the gas mileage is laughably bad. So, you kind of think, what's the big deal?

But.

Then you get on it, and holy christ it's fast. Like I said after my initial drive, the engine is really the defining characteristic of this car, and it's a honey of an engine--it revs amazingly quickly, has power all over the place, and makes a sound that is...well, it's like that scene in Bullitt that you watch over and over again, where the Mustang is charging up and down the hills just outside of San Francisco, and the V8 makes this great low, staccato roar, which is awesome, and then during the shift there's a brief beat, a moment of quiet, and then BOOM the roar is back, except instead of a movie it's enveloping you, and then you look down and you're going 70 over the limit. Whoops.

I mean, this car is hilarious. It's a BMW sedan, except that some guys in Germany were thinking to themselves "what would a BMW sedan be like if it were also an American muscle car built in the 60s?" This is that car.

JST 11-24-2008 12:18 PM

Oh, the snow tires are the "Sport Edition" A7s, made by ASA and/or Hankook, according to the warranty cards. The wheels are 8" front, 9" rear, which fill out the wheel wells better than the non-staggered setup, and also have the advantage of fitting my existing Dunlop Wintersport M3 tires, which I swapped onto these wheels. Can't remember the tire sizes exactly, but they are 225 (45?) front and 255 (40?) back.

Theo 11-24-2008 12:26 PM

That's freaking awesome JST. Did it come with the 18 or 19 inch wheel pkg?

Sharp11 11-24-2008 12:29 PM

Congrats on the new tires :)

I think JST mainlining V8's was bound to happen.....

Ed

clyde 11-24-2008 12:40 PM

"No one ever says I want to be a junkie when I grow up."

:D

zach 11-24-2008 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by JST (Post 209495)
It's an '08. It's specced almost precisely the way I would have ordered one: Jet black, black interior, black carbon fiber leather trim, CWP, PP, moon roof and (amazingly) rear sun shades. The one option it has that I wouldn't have gotten is nav, so I am suffering with iDrive--it's bad, but not as bad as Audi's system.

This was a car that the dealer had to pull from another store, so I got a decent but unspectacular deal on the cap cost. It's a lease, which means I got BMW's 0.00025 MF--that's 0.6 percent interest, which is pretty hard to beat. Two year residuals were terrible, but three year numbers weren't so bad. If I like this car, I may end up just buying it out--the total amount of interest/rental I'm paying over the life of the lease is less than $1000.

Compared to the 335? Puttering around town, there's not THAT much difference. This car actually has a higher-strung engine, so at part throttle in a highish gear it's not quite as punchy as the twin turbo. Just taking it easy, there's a bit more gear whine, the clutch is a bit sharper on engagement, and the shifter is a tad heavier. The engine is kind of touchy until it has some heat in it; in the cold, it's a bit stumbly. Oh, and the gas mileage is laughably bad. So, you kind of think, what's the big deal?

But.

Then you get on it, and holy christ it's fast. Like I said after my initial drive, the engine is really the defining characteristic of this car, and it's a honey of an engine--it revs amazingly quickly, has power all over the place, and makes a sound that is...well, it's like that scene in Bullitt that you watch over and over again, where the Mustang is charging up and down the hills just outside of San Francisco, and the V8 makes this great low, staccato roar, which is awesome, and then during the shift there's a brief beat, a moment of quiet, and then BOOM the roar is back, except instead of a movie it's enveloping you, and then you look down and you're going 70 over the limit. Whoops.

I mean, this car is hilarious. It's a BMW sedan, except that some guys in Germany were thinking to themselves "what would a BMW sedan be like if it were also an American muscle car built in the 60s?" This is that car.

Sounds awesome. Count me as extremely envious. :D

JST 11-24-2008 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Theo (Post 209501)
That's freaking awesome JST. Did it come with the 18 or 19 inch wheel pkg?

18s. I like the 19s better, but not enough better to try and get them swapped onto the car.

It also has Sirius and the iPod adapter, which I forgot about, above.

For 99 percent of drivers 90 percent of the time, the 335 makes more sense, which is why they are having trouble selling these. I just have the misfortune of having two obsessions: 1) V8 muscle cars, and 2) BMWs. Since this car combines the two, it's hard to pass up. Even so, I would probably have gone with the G8 GXP if it were going to be available before Feb (if ever).

zach 11-24-2008 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by JST (Post 209511)
18s. I like the 19s better, but not enough better to try and get them swapped onto the car.

It also has Sirius and the iPod adapter, which I forgot about, above.

For 99 percent of drivers 90 percent of the time, the 335 makes more sense, which is why they are having trouble selling these. I just have the misfortune of having two obsessions: 1) V8 muscle cars, and 2) BMWs. Since this car combines the two, it's hard to pass up. Even so, I would probably have gone with the G8 GXP if it were going to be available before Feb (if ever).

I knew they were having trouble moving them, but I've seen less and less inventory listed on dealer websites lately. I wonder if they are just delisting them. I guess it's possible that they have sold a bunch.

equ 11-24-2008 12:52 PM

The 335 is awesome but a bit soft and a great daily... A v8 m3 is something else, something to keep wishes of exotics and dedicated sports cars at bay, as it is as good or better (and I haven't even driven it, but I've driven plenty of other M's so I can extrapolate).

I'll take a coupe (with no sunroof) in alpine white or interlagos (is that offered?).

lupinsea 11-24-2008 01:11 PM

Very nice.

TD 11-24-2008 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JST (Post 209495)
It's an '08. It's specced almost precisely the way I would have ordered one: Jet black, black interior, black carbon fiber leather trim, CWP, PP, moon roof and (amazingly) rear sun shades. The one option it has that I wouldn't have gotten is nav, so I am suffering with iDrive--it's bad, but not as bad as Audi's system.

This was a car that the dealer had to pull from another store, so I got a decent but unspectacular deal on the cap cost. It's a lease, which means I got BMW's 0.00025 MF--that's 0.6 percent interest, which is pretty hard to beat. Two year residuals were terrible, but three year numbers weren't so bad. If I like this car, I may end up just buying it out--the total amount of interest/rental I'm paying over the life of the lease is less than $1000.

Compared to the 335? Puttering around town, there's not THAT much difference. This car actually has a higher-strung engine, so at part throttle in a highish gear it's not quite as punchy as the twin turbo. Just taking it easy, there's a bit more gear whine, the clutch is a bit sharper on engagement, and the shifter is a tad heavier. The engine is kind of touchy until it has some heat in it; in the cold, it's a bit stumbly. Oh, and the gas mileage is laughably bad. So, you kind of think, what's the big deal?

But.

Then you get on it, and holy christ it's fast. Like I said after my initial drive, the engine is really the defining characteristic of this car, and it's a honey of an engine--it revs amazingly quickly, has power all over the place, and makes a sound that is...well, it's like that scene in Bullitt that you watch over and over again, where the Mustang is charging up and down the hills just outside of San Francisco, and the V8 makes this great low, staccato roar, which is awesome, and then during the shift there's a brief beat, a moment of quiet, and then BOOM the roar is back, except instead of a movie it's enveloping you, and then you look down and you're going 70 over the limit. Whoops.

I mean, this car is hilarious. It's a BMW sedan, except that some guys in Germany were thinking to themselves "what would a BMW sedan be like if it were also an American muscle car built in the 60s?" This is that car.

Are you a decimal place off on that MF or is it really .00025?

If that's correct, you really could have a very reasonable payment on an absurdly expensive car.

zach 11-24-2008 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TD (Post 209528)
Are you a decimal place off on that MF or is it really .00025?

If that's correct, you really could have a very reasonable payment on an absurdly expensive car.

How reasonable? :dunno:

JST 11-24-2008 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TD (Post 209528)
Are you a decimal place off on that MF or is it really .00025?

If that's correct, you really could have a very reasonable payment on an absurdly expensive car.

No, that's right. 0.0025 is 6 percent, which would be about what you'd expect for a "normal" BMW lease. This MF is 0.00025, which is 6 tenths of 1 percent. That's the BMW loyalty rate--the rate for non-BMW FS customers is something like 0.0004, so still pretty good.

The payment on just the car (with taxes and fees out of pocket) is in the mid 7s. Given the free money interest rate, I rolled everything into the lease, so it ended up being a bit more than that.

zach 11-24-2008 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JST (Post 209533)
No, that's right. 0.0025 is 6 percent, which would be about what you'd expect for a "normal" BMW lease. This MF is 0.00025, which is 6 tenths of 1 percent. That's the BMW loyalty rate--the rate for non-BMW FS customers is something like 0.0004, so still pretty good.

The payment on just the car (with taxes and fees out of pocket) is in the mid 7s. Given the free money interest rate, I rolled everything into the lease, so it ended up being a bit more than that.

That's a pretty bitchin' deal. There are people out there paying that much per month on regular 3 series.

TD 11-24-2008 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JST (Post 209533)
No, that's right. 0.0025 is 6 percent, which would be about what you'd expect for a "normal" BMW lease. This MF is 0.00025, which is 6 tenths of 1 percent. That's the BMW loyalty rate--the rate for non-BMW FS customers is something like 0.0004, so still pretty good.

The payment on just the car (with taxes and fees out of pocket) is in the mid 7s. Given the free money interest rate, I rolled everything into the lease, so it ended up being a bit more than that.

I just modeled it at around $800/mo., not having some details like the exact residual and giving it a guess based on MY09 residuals.

Which truly is an awesome deal.

Amazingly, while I make more now than I ever have, I feel like I can't even afford to lease another new non-M 3er. Maybe it's just perceptions, but...

So is your former 335i at Passport? At the right price...

zach 11-24-2008 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TD (Post 209536)
I just modeled it at around $800/mo., not having some details like the exact residual and giving it a guess based on MY09 residuals.

Which truly is an awesome deal.

Amazingly, while I make more now than I ever have, I feel like I can't even afford to lease another new non-M 3er. Maybe it's just perceptions, but...

So is your former 335i at Passport? At the right price...

I had the same thought. I've actually begun looking at CPO 335is. Some are very reasonably priced. Sorry for the hijack, JST.

JST 11-24-2008 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TD (Post 209536)
I just modeled it at around $800/mo., not having some details like the exact residual and giving it a guess based on MY09 residuals.

Which truly is an awesome deal.

Amazingly, while I make more now than I ever have, I feel like I can't even afford to lease another new non-M 3er. Maybe it's just perceptions, but...

So is your former 335i at Passport? At the right price...

Yes, it's there, but they are going to wholesale it, so if you want it, act fast. Ask for Dave Comfort (great name, right?). It's only got 21K miles on it.

You're right about non-M 3ers. I priced out a lease on an '09 335, equipped just like my car, just for comparison, and it was in the low to mid 6s on a 3 year lease. Of course, you and I got insanely good deals on our current cars (you slightly better than I)--that was during the height of stratospheric residuals and lowish MFs. My residual on a 2 year lease I think was 72 percent.

FWIW, the guy at the dealer told me that he was going to wholesale my car because they just can't move used 335s; partly, it's because many buyers see the price and think "I'll just get a new 328" and partly it's because BMWFS has special financing rates on 06s but NOT 07s yet.

TD 11-24-2008 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JST (Post 209545)
Yes, it's there, but they are going to wholesale it, so if you want it, act fast. Ask for Dave Comfort (great name, right?). It's only got 21K miles on it.

You're right about non-M 3ers. I priced out a lease on an '09 335, equipped just like my car, just for comparison, and it was in the low to mid 6s on a 3 year lease. Of course, you and I got insanely good deals on our current cars (you slightly better than I)--that was during the height of stratospheric residuals and lowish MFs. My residual on a 2 year lease I think was 72 percent.

FWIW, the guy at the dealer told me that he was going to wholesale my car because they just can't move used 335s; partly, it's because many buyers see the price and think "I'll just get a new 328" and partly it's because BMWFS has special financing rates on 06s but NOT 07s yet.

At 72% residual (assuming ~$45K original MSRP), your buyout would be ~$32,500. That might work if I could get the 0.9%.

However, if they are going to wholesale, I'd guess they'd be getting a lot less than $32,500.

Maybe it's worth asking the question.

JST 11-24-2008 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TD (Post 209549)
At 72% residual (assuming ~$45K original MSRP), your buyout would be ~$32,500. That might work if I could get the 0.9%.

However, if they are going to wholesale, I'd guess they'd be getting a lot less than $32,500.

Maybe it's worth asking the question.

Might as well.


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