2021 Bronco
 

Sounds like the reveal (which had been set for April) is now confirmed for July.

https://twitter.com/SpeedSportLife/s...51440001310720

I don't know what's wrong with me, but a 7 speed 2 door Bronco sounds really intriguing.

I'm actually really looking forward to seeing this too!

I'm not really clear why I'd want this instead of a Jeep, but it's at least interesting.

Assume the Bronco will be bigger and that's something.

I still have an unscratched (12+ yo) itch to own a 4-door Wrangler. The new ones are nice but boy do they feel small inside with the top on.

My wife is on board with it too. I'm just not willing to give up the Miata for it and it's no replacement for the LR4, so until we can justify it as a 4th car, it ain't happening. And again, we should really get a vehicle with at least a short-range all-electric range.

I'll say that after dismissing the Gladiator, considering how often I wish I had a pick up, that really would check off even more boxes.

Among other things, I think the powertrains will be more compelling, but more than anything else I like the way they look more.

My understanding, from spending way too much time in a dealership getting the wife's new Fusion, is that the manual trans is a six speed. The 7th gear is a crawl gear.

Just release the darn thing.:irate: Just like the Pixel 4a

Interested in the bronco but not to buy:?

The new Bronco is at the top of the Husband's 'next car' list.

Maybe. Doubtful.

Both will have turbo four pots.

Jeep has a minivan v6. But also a superb diesel.

Hard to see Ford topping this lineup.

I loved the diesel on my late JGC (an earlier VM engine). It wasn't fast, but so smooth, torquey and sipping...

Is the Bronco going to have a manual option? Saw a rumor to that effect.

Manual option is all but confirmed, 6 speed with a low-end creeper gear, though it’s not clear which engines it will be available with.

Engines are likely the 2.3 turbo four from Ranger and a twin turbo six, probably the 2.7, which makes 325 hp/400 lbs-ft in the F-150.

Probably not on diesel, at least at first, though Ford has one in the F-150 it could use. But diesels don’t interest me much these days.

Turbo six cylinder sounds interesting

I enjoy mine. :)

BTW, the X3M I drove has the engine that’s going in the new M3/4 I believe. It was hard to tell much about the engine in my short test and in that beast of a vehicle.

When GM re enters this arena with a RWD based Blazer, not only would I then get one, but I’d also know it’s the end of the gasoline era.

It is very hard, to my mind, beat the simplicity of the Jeep. But I’d try a different approach for sure.

Lots of new info here, including pics of the manual shifter:

https://jalopnik.com/the-2021-ford-b...9xppJvxVK2qyQk

yeah sounding pretty go so far for overroading. Locking front/rear diffs and sway bar disconnect. IFS not solid front axle but I think it is worth it for onroad. 7MT seems interesting with the crawl gear.

Wow a real manual. That’s a selling point for sure. Jeep in ford’s sites.

It would be nice to have an alternative to the Jeep Wrangler.

I wonder who is supplying the transmission?

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...ction-lawsuit/

Yikes. And they are a reputable maker...

Also Getrag.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...-transmission/

2020 Range Rover Bron ummm Defender.

Yeah, see, that's the thing--I can't see the reason to get a Defender over one of these.

You mean Land Rover, right? Or is this some crazy new fancy RR version I've not heard of?

Not being pedantic, just genuinely curious.

To be fair, the LR Defender design was released ahead of the Bronco.

And they don't actually look anything alike, other than being sort of boxy. But it's true both are attempts to plumb the same retro depths of their own respective heritage, the Bronco a little more closely than the LR.

we still haven't seen the actual production bronco yet right?

defender is interesting to me since it goes against traditional offroad setup. Does it with a lot of tech that is at least partially British designed:?

:lol:

I mean not in official photos, but there have been enough leaks of final spec vehicles that the design is pretty clear at this point.

The Bronco drops on 7/9, which is...OJ's birthday.

https://www.freep.com/story/money/ca...9f6uXhxJTWKYxU

:lol: I was kidding!

I think the reasons people will buy a defender over the bronco will be the typical reasons why buyers choose luxury brands over mainstream brands. Practically speaking, my guess is the defender will have better on-road manners since it's built on the current Range Rover platform. To me, the new defender is more the spiritual successor to the LR3/4 in that it's a rugged, boxy looking family SUV with 3 rows and off-road cred (current discovery kind of went in a different direction design-wise). The Bronco does the retro-SUV thing better imo.

Did he not open the hoods at all

Wow- even closer than I thought. Seeing the 2 side by side I really prefer the LR4. Also cool how much roomier the interior is vs the newer car- I think the 3rd row in particular is much roomier in the lr4


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The smaller cargo space is a killer. Also, not mentioned, the windows start much lower on the LR4. Starting with the windshield, the LR4 has a lot more glass, which makes it roomier and more comfortable for shorter people.

The LR3/4 was a very successful design. Think about the fact that it was designed around the turn of the millennium (LR3 released in 2005), and that at least the US still could not stock enough of them in its last years of production.

It is expensive to run (weight, fuel, maintenance, accessories, parts), but besides obviously being super capable it's surprisingly comfortable, roomy (for its footprint), and was a sneaky very good value as it was priced with mid-size European SUV's with V6's at the time. Lucky for us I can do (so far) all of the maintenance and we don't put a lot of miles. But we knew that would be the case, otherwise we would not have bought it. You can't go from a 4Runner to an LR4 and expect the same ownership, yet some do.

It's funny to see the LR forum change where you now have 2nd or 3rd owners buying them for $10-20k and a lot of miles and limited service history and being surprised about costs to operate and repair. The newest V8's (like mine) are 7 years old.

Or not...

https://jalopnik.com/ford-delays-bro...=1592595373070

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Unrelated...I just realized this is in the Perseverators Anonymous. Huh.

Your move, JST.